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Re: patch 5.2 ?

Postby Fenris » Sun Dec 23, 2012 2:14 pm

Sagara wrote:Paladin (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
The self heal from Seal of Insight will trigger approximately 33% more often.

Wut?

Well,they are also fixing it proccing from HotR aoe,guess it's some kind of rebalancing because of that

And both should be already live,since they are listed as hotfixes

So it's a buff below about 70k AP, and a nerf above 70k AP. Thus, it's a nerf for anything over ~30k Vengeance AP.

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Re: patch 5.2 ?

Postby halabar » Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:05 pm

I'm still in awe that they managed to make a hunter tier uglier than murloc tier.

Guess I'll need to reinstall Mogit.
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Re: patch 5.2 ?

Postby bldavis » Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:08 pm

halabar wrote:I'm still in awe that they managed to make a hunter tier uglier than murloc tier.

Guess I'll need to reinstall Mogit.

yeah same here
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Re: patch 5.2 ?

Postby Fetzie » Mon Dec 24, 2012 1:19 am

So it's a buff below about 70k AP, and a nerf above 70k AP. Thus, it's a nerf for anything over ~30k Vengeance AP.

Since when do we have 40k AP buffed? I'm at something like 28k.
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Re: patch 5.2 ?

Postby Levantine » Mon Dec 24, 2012 3:11 am

Holy mother of god that druid set is amazing.

Things to do in 5.2:

1) Reroll druid for reals instead of half assing it
2) Equip Glyph of Stars
3) Suck it up and run a bunch of LFR
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Re: patch 5.2 ?

Postby Newsom » Mon Dec 24, 2012 5:23 am

Fetzie wrote:
So it's a buff below about 70k AP, and a nerf above 70k AP. Thus, it's a nerf for anything over ~30k Vengeance AP.

Since when do we have 40k AP buffed? I'm at something like 28k.


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Re: patch 5.2 ?

Postby Fetzie » Mon Dec 24, 2012 5:29 am

70k AP - 30k vengeance = 40k buffed without vengeance..
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Re: patch 5.2 ?

Postby Levantine » Mon Dec 24, 2012 5:34 am

Newsom wrote:
Fetzie wrote:
So it's a buff below about 70k AP, and a nerf above 70k AP. Thus, it's a nerf for anything over ~30k Vengeance AP.

Since when do we have 40k AP buffed? I'm at something like 28k.


Vengeance...


The point -> .



You -> .

Although theck is cray, because according to my napkin math without said vengeance even Treckie in his "I'm in Method I do what I want" gear would maybe have 40k ap sans vengeance.

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Re: patch 5.2 ?

Postby Newsom » Mon Dec 24, 2012 7:43 am

What? I'm frequently getting over 100k attack power from Vengeance. 350k+ is not uncommon on fights with many adds (Empress, Wind Lord, etc)...
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Re: patch 5.2 ?

Postby Sagara » Mon Dec 24, 2012 7:47 am

What lev tries to express is that:

Theck stated it becomes a nerf above 70k AP. And from there, stated it would be a nerf for anything above 30k Vengeance.
Fetzie was surprised about the 30k number, because it would imply you are expected to have 40k AP before Vengeance.

So, yes, it will be a nerf in most common situations, but the numbers felt a bit weird for me as well, because I couldn't for the life of me get to 40k AP before Vengeance.

But after Vengeance, yeah, it's a piece of cake to be above 70k AP total.
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Re: patch 5.2 ?

Postby theckhd » Mon Dec 24, 2012 9:46 am

Fetzie's right. I was making a quick calculation based on the MATLAB model. At 100k Vengeance AP, the MATLAB T14N setup has ~140k AP. Simple math tells you that 140k-100k=40k ap without Vengeance.

Of course, simple math is wrong in this case, because you have AP multipliers involved that 100k vengeance into 120k. So in reality it's closer to 22k AP without Vengeance. So you really need about 50k Vengeance to cross the buff/nerf line with Consecration, not 30k.
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Re: patch 5.2 ?

Postby theckhd » Mon Dec 24, 2012 9:52 am

Klaudandus wrote:You should post that on the forums, or maybe PM Ghostcrawler, now that he's on twitter ^_~

What good would that do? I'm sure he's more than aware that it's a net DPS nerf at high AP.

Sagara wrote:Paladin (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
The self heal from Seal of Insight will trigger approximately 33% more often.

Wut?


This is more interesting to me. With a 2.6-speed weapon, a 15-PPM effect such as SoI had a proc chance of 15*2.6/60=0.6500 = 65%.

Does "33% more often" mean that it's now 15*1.33 = 20 PPM, and thus an 86.67% proc chance? Or does it mean that they turned it from a 65% proc chance into a 100% proc chance on hit?

Should be easy to test, I'll post something in the CTA thread. Basically attack a dummy 100 times with auto-attacks. The chance of seeing no misses in 100 attacks with an 86.67% proc rate is 0.000061218%.
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Re: patch 5.2 ?

Postby Shoju » Mon Dec 24, 2012 9:56 am

Oh my dear sweet christmas baby jesus the Season 13 Death Knight set is absolutely stunning.

Let's see: Skulls? Why... Yes. There are Skulls, and they are on the knee caps, and the belly, and the shoulders, but it's not overdone. The Shoulders and Helm are FANTASTIC. I would probably find a chest / let / belt / boot mog to go with those pieces if I were playing. That's right. I'd PvP for the helm and shoulders. They are that sexy.

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Re: patch 5.2 ?

Postby Klaudandus » Mon Dec 24, 2012 12:00 pm

theckhd wrote:
Klaudandus wrote:You should post that on the forums, or maybe PM Ghostcrawler, now that he's on twitter ^_~

What good would that do? I'm sure he's more than aware that it's a net DPS nerf at high AP.


I think he's hoping no one notices that.
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Re: patch 5.2 ?

Postby bldavis » Mon Dec 24, 2012 2:42 pm

Shoju wrote:Oh my dear sweet christmas baby jesus the Season 13 Death Knight set is absolutely stunning.

Let's see: Skulls? Why... Yes. There are Skulls, and they are on the knee caps, and the belly, and the shoulders, but it's not overdone. The Shoulders and Helm are FANTASTIC. I would probably find a chest / let / belt / boot mog to go with those pieces if I were playing. That's right. I'd PvP for the helm and shoulders. They are that sexy.

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lol i completely agree, i love the DK season gear
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