Remove Advertisements

All about sports

Anything, including off-topic posts

Moderators: Fridmarr, Worldie, Aergis, Sabindeus, PsiVen

Re: All about sports

Postby Klaudandus » Thu Dec 20, 2012 11:39 am

the question with RG3 is gonna be his longevity in the NFL...
The Element of Forum Hyperbole
Image
---
Flüttershy - Draenei Protection Paladin, Aerie Peak
Klaudandus - BE Protection Paladin, Feathermoon (Semi-retired)
User avatar
Klaudandus
 
Posts: 10816
Joined: Thu Apr 02, 2009 7:08 am
Location: Texas' Armpit

Re: All about sports

Postby Shoju » Thu Dec 20, 2012 11:46 am

Klaudandus wrote:the question with RG3 is gonna be his longevity in the NFL...


He is going to need to learn to slide.
And when to throw it away
And when to run out of bounds

Or he is going to die. I think the best 2 Qb's out of this draft in terms of longevity will be luck and wilson.
User avatar
Shoju
 
Posts: 6346
Joined: Mon May 19, 2008 7:15 am

Re: All about sports

Postby Klaudandus » Thu Dec 20, 2012 6:41 pm

The Element of Forum Hyperbole
Image
---
Flüttershy - Draenei Protection Paladin, Aerie Peak
Klaudandus - BE Protection Paladin, Feathermoon (Semi-retired)
User avatar
Klaudandus
 
Posts: 10816
Joined: Thu Apr 02, 2009 7:08 am
Location: Texas' Armpit

Re: All about sports

Postby Koatanga » Thu Dec 20, 2012 7:06 pm

Pro Football Focus: Sanchez is ranked #34th among all 2012 quarterbacks – putting him in the company of players like Michael Vick, Christian Ponder, John Skelton and Ryan Fitzpatrick.


Makes sense to trade him and get Vick then, doesn't it...

Maybe the Jets should shoot just a tad higher.

Do they really think they can trade Sanchez? His salary is off the charts:
2013: $8.2m
2014: $9m
2015: $12.5m
2016: $10.75m

Nobody is going to pay that much for him.

I've heard it will cost the Jets up to $17 million to cancel his contract, which puts Sanchez in the driver's seat for any talks of renegotiation.

Jets are screwed.
Koatanga, Capnhammer, Shapely, Sultry, Boondoggle, Doominatrix of Greenstone - Dath'Remar
Koatanga
 
Posts: 1878
Joined: Mon Nov 17, 2008 12:46 pm

Re: All about sports

Postby Shoju » Fri Dec 21, 2012 8:15 am

I put together a slick little spreadsheet that gives me the information that I listed for the Rookie QB's on every QB. It gives me some interesting information. I'm actually going to look into making the spreadsheet even more "robust" as I love dissecting stats. So, here are some tidbits.

Most of my "interesting tidbits" are based on "Meaningful Snaps" (I'll be abbreviating this as MS). This means a snap where the QB is in control of the play. This includes Pass Attempts, Sacks, and Rushing Attempts.

Currently, there are three Qb's in the league who average 7 yards / MS.
They are?
1.) Colin Kaepernick 7.12 y/ms
2.) RGIII 7.04 y/ms
3.) Peyton Manning 7.0 y/ms.

Of the QB's in the league who have at least 100 MS, the worst are
Ryan Lindley 3.5 y/ms
John Skelton 4.72 y/ms
Brady Quinn 4.75 y/ms

EDIT: Kevin Kolb wasn't far behind at 4.91 y/ms... what a trifecta of fail in Arizona!

I came up with an interesting number ratio, negative plays per snap. This takes into account Fumbles, INT's, and Sacks. This stat can be a little misleading, since some fumbles could happen after the LOS, or not result in a loss of possession, but it's pretty interesting. The safest QB's in the league:
Tom Brady
Peyton Manning
Matt Schaub
Eli Manning
Matthew Stafford

The least safe QB's in the league with 100MS

Kevin Kolb
Phillip Rivers
Mark Sanches
John Skelton
Jay Cutler


I found it sort of interesting, because Eli has a really bad Snap to INT ratio 1 per 34.73 MS. But he has a really good MS/Fumble 104.2, and a MS to Sack of 34.73. He actually gets Sacked the Least per MS of any QB in the league, followed by Peyton, BRady, Schaub, and Brees.

The worst MS to Sack Ratios: Kevin Kolb 8.37 Alex Smith 11.25 Brady Quinn 11.69 Chad Henne 12.55 and.... Aaron Rodgers 12.64....

God, I'm having WAY too much fun going through these numbers.
Last edited by Shoju on Fri Dec 21, 2012 8:18 am, edited 1 time in total.
User avatar
Shoju
 
Posts: 6346
Joined: Mon May 19, 2008 7:15 am

Re: All about sports

Postby Klaudandus » Fri Dec 21, 2012 8:17 am

That's pretty awesome!

Makes me wonder how Tebow did in his limited time as a starter
The Element of Forum Hyperbole
Image
---
Flüttershy - Draenei Protection Paladin, Aerie Peak
Klaudandus - BE Protection Paladin, Feathermoon (Semi-retired)
User avatar
Klaudandus
 
Posts: 10816
Joined: Thu Apr 02, 2009 7:08 am
Location: Texas' Armpit

Re: All about sports

Postby Shoju » Fri Dec 21, 2012 8:18 am

Klaudandus wrote:That's pretty awesome!

Makes me wonder how Tebow did in his limited time as a starter



I will add him. i didn't because he was so small, but give me a sec. Pretty Easy.

EDIT: Teeb's numbers This year as a "Wildcat" look rough, but it is a pitifully small sample size.

Y/MS : 3.19 That would be worst in the league, but again, we're talking less than 50 MS.
NP/MS : .05 This would tie him for best in the league with Tom Brady. That means he has .05 Negative Plays (INT / Fumble / Sack) per play he's on the field.
He also would boast a top 10 MS to Sack Ratio, at an even 21 MS per Sack.

Now, lets feed it last years #'s for Teebs. The news isn't great.
Teebs had a pretty bad NP/MS last year at .12
He had a pretty mediocre Y/MS at 5.08
He had a pretty terrible MS/Sacks at 12.91
A pretty terrible MS/Fumble at 30.43 (would have been second worst in the league this year) for 100+ MS Qb's.
A pretty mediocre MS/TD at 23.67 (18th this year)


Poor guy. Not even the #'s can make sense of why he won.



EDIT: I just gained even more respect for Dan Marino's 5k yard season over top of Brees'.
I was curious about Drew Brees and Marino's record setting passing seasons. So here they are

Drew Brees (2011)
Snaps/TD - 14.94
Snaps/Int - 50.14
Snaps/Fum - 702 (this is so ridiculously off the charts. It blows Brady's current season mark out of the water by more than 2x
Snaps/Sack - 29.25
Yards/Snap - 7.7
NP/S - .06

Dan Marino (1984)
Snaps/TD - 12.6
Snaps/INT - 35.59
Snaps/Fumble - 100.83
Snaps/Sack - 46.54
Yards/Snap - 8.19
NP/S - .06

First. Snaps per TD.... In a league that's trying to increase scoring, they aren't even coming CLOSE to Marino's season. The best Sn/Td ratio in the league this year is Drew Brees at 16.54..... That means that Marino was doing it 4 snaps FASTER in 1984. In a league that was rougher on QB's AND Receivers. HOLY SHIT MAN.

The INT numbers show that too. Marino's 35.59 SN/INT is in the lower half of the 2012 numbers.
His Snaps per fumble, would be middle of the road this year. On par With Eli.
His Snaps per Sack? Mind boggling. 46.54 Snaps per sack is almost 12 snaps BETTER than the best this season. It's a full 20 snaps better than second place. You just didn't sack Mr. Marino in 1984.
His Yards per Snap? 1 freaking yard better than Colin Kaepernick, who hasn't played the complete season. 1.15 better than RGIII, who has played all season.

I'm floored. Marino was a beast.
Last edited by Shoju on Fri Dec 21, 2012 9:05 am, edited 1 time in total.
User avatar
Shoju
 
Posts: 6346
Joined: Mon May 19, 2008 7:15 am

Re: All about sports

Postby Klaudandus » Fri Dec 21, 2012 8:56 am

WoW...

Some people say its because the guy has more stamina than the defenses he would play against, therefore, he would do better on the 4th quarter once the other team was gassed
The Element of Forum Hyperbole
Image
---
Flüttershy - Draenei Protection Paladin, Aerie Peak
Klaudandus - BE Protection Paladin, Feathermoon (Semi-retired)
User avatar
Klaudandus
 
Posts: 10816
Joined: Thu Apr 02, 2009 7:08 am
Location: Texas' Armpit

Re: All about sports

Postby Shoju » Fri Dec 21, 2012 9:07 am

Must resist urge to start comparing careers.

Must... REsis......
User avatar
Shoju
 
Posts: 6346
Joined: Mon May 19, 2008 7:15 am

Re: All about sports

Postby Klaudandus » Fri Dec 21, 2012 9:16 am

Go ahead, I am enjoying this
The Element of Forum Hyperbole
Image
---
Flüttershy - Draenei Protection Paladin, Aerie Peak
Klaudandus - BE Protection Paladin, Feathermoon (Semi-retired)
User avatar
Klaudandus
 
Posts: 10816
Joined: Thu Apr 02, 2009 7:08 am
Location: Texas' Armpit

Re: All about sports

Postby Shoju » Fri Dec 21, 2012 10:18 am

Asking for list, blah blah, Klaud replied before I could make my list.
Last edited by Shoju on Fri Dec 21, 2012 10:49 am, edited 2 times in total.
User avatar
Shoju
 
Posts: 6346
Joined: Mon May 19, 2008 7:15 am

Re: All about sports

Postby Klaudandus » Fri Dec 21, 2012 10:46 am

Romo, just for shits and giggles

Also, McCoy because I want to confirm that he was given up on prematurely, Locker, Gabbert, Ponder, Dalton and Newton -- cuz I wanna see how last season's rookies are doing.
The Element of Forum Hyperbole
Image
---
Flüttershy - Draenei Protection Paladin, Aerie Peak
Klaudandus - BE Protection Paladin, Feathermoon (Semi-retired)
User avatar
Klaudandus
 
Posts: 10816
Joined: Thu Apr 02, 2009 7:08 am
Location: Texas' Armpit

Re: All about sports

Postby Shoju » Fri Dec 21, 2012 10:52 am

Generating your list, will post shortly. I also did the top 12 QB's by passing yds / TD's, Even with the skewed Results.
User avatar
Shoju
 
Posts: 6346
Joined: Mon May 19, 2008 7:15 am

Re: All about sports

Postby Shoju » Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:49 pm

Ok. So. First. Tony Romo gets a bad Rap. Over his career, he is:

20.01 Snaps/TD
40.02 Snaps/INT
69.06 Snaps/Fumble
20.24 Snaps/Sack
6.95 Yards Per Snap
.09 Neg Play Per Snap.

Those numbers need some historical perspective. So here you go.

Peyton Manning
18.66 Snaps / TD (The Best I've Found so far for a career)
40.11 Snaps / INT
141.39 Snaps/Fumble (Again, the best I've Found so far for a career)
33.1 Snaps/Sack (Ok, so Romo gets sacked.... A LOT.
6.95 Yards Per Snap. I've yet to find a player with complete Sack History over 7 for a career.
.06 Neg Play Per Snap

So Romo is about 1/3 more likely to do something bad. He has a lower Snap/TD than Manning. But it's right in line with Marino and Drew Brees, who both sport career #'s of 20.81 and 20.19 respectively and Frank Tarkenton who put up a 19.83.

Romo gets picked at the same clip as Manning, Which is the same clip as Brees, a little more often than Montana, A lot more often than Brady, but not as much as Elway, Bledsoe, Marino, Moon, Favre, Testaverde, Tarkenton, or Unitas. Obviously, there are some historic points to those numbers, but the point is, He's not that bad.

He does fumble a fair bit though. The only people I checked (that aren't last years rookies) that fumbled more often over the course of their career are Favre, Testy, Elway, Bledsoe, Unitas, and Moon (and boy... that guy fumbled A LOT... at a clip of 48.6 snaps per fumble.

Romos Sack Numbers are middle of the pack when compared to the "glorious dozen" (snicker)

But the big thing is, He's currently, for his career, tied with Manning for the best YPS of QB's who played 1969 or newer (that I've looked at so far.) I'm thinking 6.95 will probably hold out as a great number, since this season, we only have 3 QB's over that number for the season.

His Neg plays per Snap is a little low, comparing it to the "greats". But still better than Elway, Moon, Testy, and Bledsoe.

All in All, If Romo didn't have such a stigma around him, and a terrible record in the playoff, he would definitely be considered one of the top QB's to play the position in his generation.

So onto the other Qb's.

Colt McCoy
39.57 Snaps / TD - BAD.
41.55 Snaps / INT - GOOD
69.25 Snaps/Fumble - Not Terrible.
15.11 Snaps/Sack - WOAH BAD.... Like Arizona Cardinals QB Bad.
5.23 Yards Per Snap. Not Great, This is Hasselbeck, Sanchez territory.
.1 Neg Play Per Snap Sort of not good. But not terrible. We're in the Joe Flacco Water Here, not the Mark Sanchez Water.

So maybe he didn't get a bad rap afterall....

Onto last year's rookies. These are their stats for the career.

Chrisitan Ponder
28.45 Snaps / TD
33 Snaps / INT
68.75 Snaps/Fumble
27.5 Snaps/Sack
5.59 Yards Per Snap.
.08 Neg Play Per Snap

Blaine Gabbert
39 Snaps / TD
48.18 Snaps / INT
43.11 Snaps/Fumble
13.21 Snaps/Sack
4.37 Yards Per Snap.
.12 Neg Play Per Snap

Jake Locker
26.4 Snaps / TD
44 Snaps / INT
99 Snaps/Fumble
18.86 Snaps/Sack
6.56 Yards Per Snap.
.09 Neg Play Per Snap

Andy Dalton
22.2 Snaps / TD
41.93 Snaps / INT
125.78 Snaps/Fumble
18.26 Snaps/Sack
5.84 Yards Per Snap.
.09 Neg Play Per Snap

Cam Newton
20.7 Snaps / TD
46 Snaps / INT
82.8 Snaps/Fumble
18.26 Snaps/Sack
6.74 Yards Per Snap.
.09 Neg Play Per Snap

Some pretty interesting Numbers. Cam looks good. Dalton looks good. Locker looks like he could be good. Ponder is very much a Jury is still out, and Gabbert? HE either needs a new team, or put on the visor and headset.
User avatar
Shoju
 
Posts: 6346
Joined: Mon May 19, 2008 7:15 am

Re: All about sports

Postby Klaudandus » Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:56 pm

It makes me wonder if the reason why McCoy got sacked a lot was to a porous O-Line

I've never liked Gabbert, the guy looks scared to get hit on the field.
The Element of Forum Hyperbole
Image
---
Flüttershy - Draenei Protection Paladin, Aerie Peak
Klaudandus - BE Protection Paladin, Feathermoon (Semi-retired)
User avatar
Klaudandus
 
Posts: 10816
Joined: Thu Apr 02, 2009 7:08 am
Location: Texas' Armpit

PreviousNext

Return to General

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: lythac and 1 guest


Remove Advertisements

Who is online

In total there are 3 users online :: 1 registered, 1 hidden and 1 guest (based on users active over the past 5 minutes)
Most users ever online was 380 on Tue Oct 14, 2008 6:28 pm

Users browsing this forum: lythac and 1 guest