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Re: How to exploit the bonus loot system

Postby theckhd » Mon Dec 10, 2012 6:50 am

Treck wrote:They also added the Darkmist vortex (str with haste procc from Lei Shi) to the prot table, so it seems devs are changing the loot tables a bit to have us not have to swap speccs for proper loot.

I don't think they changed that, as far as I know it's been that way since Terrace was released. I think it's also probably a mistake, not intentional. They treat STR as a tanking stat, so that trinket is sort of an avoidance trinket. I suspect that the algorithm they use doesn't even look at the proc, just the passive stats (though one would assume they'd hand-check those afterward, but maybe not?).
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Re: How to exploit the bonus loot system

Postby theckhd » Mon Dec 10, 2012 6:53 am

Ironshield wrote:I don't suppose anyone has made a list of which bosses to use your coin in which spec yet? Eg, boss - spec - loot, spec - loot.

I have, but it's specific to my particular gearing situation. Presumably any such list you would make would be similar. For example, since we're killing Tayak on heroic, I'm using a coin on him, but switching to ret spec first since the items I want are both available to retribution (Ring and Belt).
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Re: How to exploit the bonus loot system

Postby Ironshield » Mon Dec 10, 2012 8:51 am

This is what I was after :) I'm assuming the items listed as DPS are on the Ret loot table, and those listed as Tank are Prot. If anyone knows of any exceptions, please point it out and I'll add a note. I've included the DPS only (ie - has crit on it) items so you know where Ret rolling might be a worse bet. This is only really useful if you have next to no raid gear. Which is when gear lists are the most intimidating.

Mogu'shan Vaults
The Stone Guard
[Beads of the Mogu'shi] -> Tank necklace
[Star-Stealer Waistguard] -> Tank plate belt

[Jasper Clawfeet] -> DPS ONLY plate boots
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Feng the Accursed
[Bracers of Six Oxen] -> Tank plate bracers
[Sollerets of Spirit Splitting] -> Tank plate boots

[Bonded Soul Bracers] -> Strength plate bracers
[Soulgrasp Choker] -> Strength DPS necklace

[Cloak of Peacock Feathers] -> Strength DPS ONLY cloak
[Nullification Greathelm] -> DPS ONLY plate helm
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The Spirit Kings
[Steelskin, Qiang's Impervious Shield] -> Tank shield
[Shoulderguards of the Unflanked] -> Tank plate shoulders

[Breastplate of the Kings' Guard] -> DPS plate chest
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Elegon
[Band of Bursting Novas] -> Tank ring
[Vial of Dragon's Blood] -> Tank trinket
[Elegion, the Fanged Crescent] -> Strength one-handed axe

[Starcrusher Gauntlets] -> DPS plate gloves

[Starshatter] -> Strength two-handed sword
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Will of the Emperor
[Chestguard of Eternal Vigilance] -> Tank plate chest

[Jang-xi's Devastating Legplates] -> DPS plate leggings
[Lei Shin's Final Orders] -> Strength trinket

Heart of Fear
Imperial Vizier Zor'lok
[Articulated Legplates] -> Tank plate leggings
[Vizier's Ruby Signet] -> Tank ring

[Hisek's Chrysanthemum Cape] -> Strength DPS cloak

[Warbelt of Sealed Pods] -> DPS ONLY plate belt
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Blade Lord Ta'yak
[Windblade Talons] -> Tank plate gloves

[Waistplate of Overwhelming Assault] -> DPS plate belt
[Ring of the Bladed Tempest] -> Strength DPS ring
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Garalon
[Garalon's Hollow Skull] -> Tank plate helm
[Ring of the Shattered Shell] -> Tank ring

[Garalon's Graven Carapace] -> DPS ONLY plate chest
[Necklace of Congealed Weaknesses] -> Strength DPS ONLY necklace
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Wind Lord Mel'jarak
[Gauntlets of the Shadowy Conqueror] -> Armor token
[Cloak of Raining Blades] -> Tank cloak

[Impaling Treads] -> DPS plate boots
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Amber-Shaper Un'sok
[Scimitar of Seven Stars] -> Strength one-handed sword
[Leggings of the Shadowy Conqueror] -> Armor token

[Shoulderpads of Misshapen Life] -> DPS ONLY plate shoulders
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Grand Empress Shek'zeer
[Chest of the Shadowy Conqueror] -> Armor token

Terrace of Endless Spring
Protectors of the Endless
[Deepwater Greatboots] -> Tank plate boots
[Kaolan's Withering Necklace] -> Tank necklace

[Bracers of Defiled Earth] -> DPS plate bracers
[Shackle of Eversparks] -> Strength necklace
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Tsulong
[Grasps of Serpentine Might] -> Tank plate gloves
[Daybreak Drape] -> Tank cloak
[Stuff of Nightmares] -> Tank trinket
[Protector's Girdle of Endless Spring] -> Tank plate belt

[Dread Shadow Ring] -> Strength DPS ONLY ring
[Patroller's Girdle of Endless Spring] -> Strength DPS ONLY plate belt
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Lei Shi
[Cuirass of the Animated Protector] -> Tank plate chest
[Protector's Girdle of Endless Spring] -> Tank plate belt

[Shoulders of the Shadowy Conqueror] -> Armor token

[Darkmist Vortex] -> Strength DPS trinket - In Tank table

[Patroller's Girdle of Endless Spring] -> Strength DPS ONLY plate belt
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Sha of Fear
[Kilrak, Jaws of Terror] -> Strength one-handed sword
[Helm of the Shadowy Conqueror] -> Armor token

[Shin'ka, Execution of Dominion] -> DPS ONLY Strength two-handed axe
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Re: How to exploit the bonus loot system

Postby Treck » Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:03 pm

theckhd wrote:I don't think they changed that, as far as I know it's been that way since Terrace was released. I think it's also probably a mistake, not intentional. They treat STR as a tanking stat, so that trinket is sort of an avoidance trinket. I suspect that the algorithm they use doesn't even look at the proc, just the passive stats (though one would assume they'd hand-check those afterward, but maybe not?).

My bad then, didnt remember seeing it on the loot table before so thought they "changed" it.
In any case its LFR, most of the items arnt going to be that great of an upgrade anyway (blues with good itemization + upgrade is almost as good anyway)
As for raids if you wanna coin on those bosses, just make sure you stay alive and change specc when boss dies before you coin.
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Re: How to exploit the bonus loot system

Postby theckhd » Mon Dec 10, 2012 2:32 pm

Ironshield wrote:This is what I was after :) I'm assuming the items listed as DPS are on the Ret loot table, and those listed as Tank are Prot.

You could just check the Dungeon Journal in-game, and filter by spec.
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Re: How to exploit the bonus loot system

Postby Ironshield » Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:09 am

theckhd wrote:
Ironshield wrote:This is what I was after :) I'm assuming the items listed as DPS are on the Ret loot table, and those listed as Tank are Prot.

You could just check the Dungeon Journal in-game, and filter by spec.

That is true, unless, like me, you tend to panic when a window pops up with a timer saying MAKE A DECISION!! (yeah I know) :) So I like to have lists I can peruse at my leisure while WABing* at work.

Speaking of which, I know Wowpedia has taken a dump of the Dungeon Journal (which is useful), but does anyone know of a dungeon journal out of game which is filterable?

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Re: How to exploit the bonus loot system

Postby lythac » Thu Dec 13, 2012 5:27 am

Wasn't aware you can use multiple tokens on the same boss in LFR by repeated queuing.

merritsa wrote:@Ghostcrawler Using multiple charms on the same boss per week in lfr (by repeated q'ing) intended or bug? Same chance every time?
Ghostcrawler wrote:@merritsa we're fine with it. You'll eventually run out of charms. Same chance every time.
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Re: How to exploit the bonus loot system

Postby Thels » Thu Dec 20, 2012 5:01 pm

A quick way to see what items are available in total is to set the filter to Warrior (All Specs). It filters out the useless Holy gear. ;)

And the Dungeon Journal indeed separates like that.

All plate/cloaks/amulets/rings/trinkets/onehanded swords/onehanded maces/onehanded axes/shields that don't have Strength/Agility/Hit/Expertise/Dodge/Parry are available on the Holy loot table, with the exception of Stamina trinkets.

All plate/cloaks/amulets/rings/trinkets/onehanded swords/onehanded maces/onehanded axes/shields that don't have Agility/Intellect/Spirit/Crit/Haste are available on the Protection loot table.

All plate/cloaks/amulets/rings/trinkets/twohanded swords/twohanded maces/twohanded axes that don't have Agility/Intellect/Spirit/Dodge/Parry are available on the Retribution loot table, with the exception of Stamina trinkets.

Stamina trinkets are the odd ones out. On all items they are included as extra, except on trinkets, where they are the chosen stat.
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