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How to exploit the bonus loot system

Postby DisRuptive1 » Sat Dec 08, 2012 5:51 pm

Queued into Terrace of Endless Spring as DPS (Retribution Paladin). Raid wipes to 3rd boss (Lei Shi) because tanks die. I switch over to my tank gear/spec as backup. Raid kills 3rd boss, I stay in tank spec for 4th boss (Sha of Fear). Sha dies. I use Elder Charm and get Kil'Rak, a one-handed tank/dps sword.

Either this is one of those issues where bonus loot is not awarding the right loot or the bonus roll system looks at your spec rather than at the role you chose in queuing for LFR. For those of us that are trying to get upgrades in LFR, switching over to a Ret spec for a fight can help us get gear that has Haste on them.

If the system checks your spec during the roll rather than the spec you had on the pull, you could even use this in normals and heroics to win a different set of gear by respeccing after the boss dies and using your Elder charm.
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Re: How to exploit the bonus loot system

Postby Morwo » Sat Dec 08, 2012 6:06 pm

Elder Charm loot engine check's your specc/role in that moment you press the coin-button. as in other post around here there are already hints to macros to respecc after a boss dies, and before flip the elder coin.

/usetalents [spec:1] 2; [spec:2] 1

Very nice if you aim for some haste gear.
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Re: How to exploit the bonus loot system

Postby fuzzygeek » Sat Dec 08, 2012 6:47 pm

It is fairly commonplace for people to queue dps for fast queues and sit in tank spec doing horrible dps in lfr. It is irritating, but so is lfr as a whole ...
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Re: How to exploit the bonus loot system

Postby DisRuptive1 » Sat Dec 08, 2012 7:06 pm

It was accidental on my part to queue as DPS. I queue for 5-mans as DPS since I don't need tank gear any more and don't want to feel bad about taking loot from other plate dps that I get queued with. Queue times are infinitely longer but I usually work on my farm or go do some dailies while I wait.
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Re: How to exploit the bonus loot system

Postby theckhd » Sat Dec 08, 2012 7:55 pm

DisRuptive1 wrote:Either this is one of those issues where bonus loot is not awarding the right loot or the bonus roll system looks at your spec rather than at the role you chose in queuing for LFR.

It looks at your spec, and only at your spec, for both regular and bonus rolls. That's how it's supposed to work. I've already run entire LFRs as a "tank" role while being ret spec because there was no more tank gear I needed (and you can 1-tank the vast majority of LFR).
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Re: How to exploit the bonus loot system

Postby Morwo » Sat Dec 08, 2012 9:55 pm

i tank on my 10man raid in heroic mode, and respec to use my coin in ret gear also. not only lfr : )
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Re: How to exploit the bonus loot system

Postby theckhd » Sat Dec 08, 2012 11:26 pm

I never said it was only in LFR. I do the same, as some of the BiS heroic items are only on the ret bonus roll table.
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Re: How to exploit the bonus loot system

Postby fuzzygeek » Sat Dec 08, 2012 11:36 pm

Is it safe to assume that if you filter the Dungeon Journal by Paladin->Protection, that all matching items are available via Coin?
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Re: How to exploit the bonus loot system

Postby theckhd » Sun Dec 09, 2012 12:04 am

I believe so. I don't have any sort of proof of that, but that's what it seems like. I haven't seen any violation of that rule in my coin rolls so far.
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Re: How to exploit the bonus loot system

Postby fuzzygeek » Sun Dec 09, 2012 6:24 pm

Ah; I thought I'd seen some hit/xpt pieces through the filter and thought the devs had actually tagged pieces we want as being spec-appropriate, but now that I check that's not the case. Guess I can utilize secondary sepc as ret now.
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Re: How to exploit the bonus loot system

Postby theckhd » Sun Dec 09, 2012 8:59 pm

fuzzygeek wrote:Ah; I thought I'd seen some hit/xpt pieces through the filter and thought the devs had actually tagged pieces we want as being spec-appropriate, but now that I check that's not the case. Guess I can utilize secondary sepc as ret now.

There are a few hit/exp pieces that are tagged as prot. Neck from Protectors of the Endless, for example. Basically it seems that any item with a combination of two of (dodge/parry/mastery/hit/exp) should end up on the prot gear list. Any item with haste or crit shouldn't.
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Re: How to exploit the bonus loot system

Postby Treck » Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:25 am

They also added the Darkmist vortex (str with haste procc from Lei Shi) to the prot table, so it seems devs are changing the loot tables a bit to have us not have to swap speccs for proper loot.
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Re: How to exploit the bonus loot system

Postby Ironshield » Mon Dec 10, 2012 3:54 am

I don't suppose anyone has made a list of which bosses to use your coin in which spec yet? Eg, boss - spec - loot, spec - loot.

I tried looking at a list of which ret gear is good for us (ie bits sans crit) but it needs some work. And it's not easy doing so on a phone :( hopefully will find some PC work avoidance time soonish. But if anyone has something similar I for one would love to have a look :)
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Re: How to exploit the bonus loot system

Postby Sagara » Mon Dec 10, 2012 4:10 am

It's failry easy all in all:

IF item has Intellect,
THEN not avalaible for prot, not available for ret;

ELSE IF item from Ret Tier set,
THEN not avalaible for prot, available for ret;

ELSE IF item from Prot Tier set,
THEN available for prot, not available for ret;

ELSE IF item has Crit or Haste,
THEN not avalaible for prot, available for ret;

ELSE IF item has Parry or Dodge
THEN available for prot, not available for ret;

ELSE available for prot, available for ret.

With that + Nika's list, you should be golden.
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Re: How to exploit the bonus loot system

Postby daishan » Mon Dec 10, 2012 4:16 am

The only exception I've noticed been the lei Shi strength trinket with a haste proc been on the prot loot table in the dungeon journal. I'm not sure if Treckie was saying it's been changed to prot gear or not but I seem to remember it been there from week one of TES.
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