All about sports

Anything, including off-topic posts

Moderators: Fridmarr, Worldie, Aergis, Sabindeus, PsiVen

Re: All about sports

Postby Flex » Thu Nov 15, 2012 10:31 am

Koatanga wrote:No doubt Sanchez is sucking this year, but some of that has to do with the distractions around him, Holmes being out and.. oh hell I can't do that with a straight face - Sanchez really is bad.


When was the last good NFL quarterback from USC drafted?
We live in a society where people born on third base constantly try to steal second, yet we expect people born with two strikes against them to hit a homerun on the first pitch.
User avatar
Flex
 
Posts: 7508
Joined: Tue Jul 10, 2007 7:29 am

Re: All about sports

Postby Shoju » Thu Nov 15, 2012 10:38 am

Good USC QB that was drafted?

Mark Sanchez? Uh... no
Carson Palmer? Uh... eh? Not really.
Matt Leinart? Lulz
Sean Salisbury? Wasnt he an ESPN Analyst for a while? He dropped off the face of the planet... Oh, and No.
Rodney Peete? Giggle.
Pat Haden? Hmmmmm NO.
Matt Cassel? Didn't. EVEN. START. A. GAME.
Bill Nelsen? No.
Pete Beathard? WHO?
Vince Evans? Who?
Paul McDonald? WHO?
Todd Marinovich? LULZ.
Rob Johnson? Could be the "best" of teh USC QB's.
John David Booty? shortest career of the bunch.
User avatar
Shoju
 
Posts: 6394
Joined: Mon May 19, 2008 7:15 am

Re: All about sports

Postby Flex » Thu Nov 15, 2012 10:48 am

Poor Matt Barkley.
We live in a society where people born on third base constantly try to steal second, yet we expect people born with two strikes against them to hit a homerun on the first pitch.
User avatar
Flex
 
Posts: 7508
Joined: Tue Jul 10, 2007 7:29 am

Re: All about sports

Postby halabar » Thu Nov 15, 2012 10:53 am

Flex wrote:Poor Matt Barkley.


Might be the best thing for him. He's get drafted in the 6th round, sit on a bench someplace, hopefully behind a solid starter, learn, and perhaps get a chance to play in 2-3 years. No pressure, no expectations. (ala Brady?)
Amirya wrote:... because everyone needs a Catagonskin rug.

twinkfist wrote:i feel bad for the Mogu...having to deal with alcoholic bears.
User avatar
halabar
 
Posts: 9379
Joined: Fri Jun 08, 2007 8:21 am
Location: <in the guild that shall not be named>

Re: All about sports

Postby Flex » Thu Nov 15, 2012 10:54 am

halabar wrote:
Flex wrote:Poor Matt Barkley.


Might be the best thing for him. He's get drafted in the 6th round, sit on a bench someplace, hopefully behind a solid starter, learn, and perhaps get a chance to play in 2-3 years. No pressure, no expectations. (ala Brady?)


lol Cassel.
We live in a society where people born on third base constantly try to steal second, yet we expect people born with two strikes against them to hit a homerun on the first pitch.
User avatar
Flex
 
Posts: 7508
Joined: Tue Jul 10, 2007 7:29 am

Re: All about sports

Postby Shoju » Thu Nov 15, 2012 1:27 pm

Total Amusement.

I'm projected to win by 75 this week in my league. Yes. My opponent has all roster slots filled.
User avatar
Shoju
 
Posts: 6394
Joined: Mon May 19, 2008 7:15 am

Re: All about sports

Postby Paxen » Thu Nov 15, 2012 3:39 pm

Shoju wrote:Good USC QB that was drafted?

Carson Palmer? Uh... eh? Not really.


Palmer was quite good there for a while back in the mid-00's. Didn't live up to the expectations, but he did perform pretty well in his first years in the NFL.
Paxen
 
Posts: 623
Joined: Mon Aug 17, 2009 3:38 am

Re: All about sports

Postby Klaudandus » Thu Nov 15, 2012 3:42 pm

Plust not all the problems with the Bungles and the Raiders have been carson palmer's fault

The injury didnt help though
The Element of Forum Hyperbole
Image
---
Flüttershy - Draenei Protection Paladin, Aerie Peak
Klaudandus - BE Protection Paladin, Feathermoon (Semi-retired)
User avatar
Klaudandus
 
Posts: 11257
Joined: Thu Apr 02, 2009 7:08 am
Location: Texas' Armpit

Re: All about sports

Postby Shoju » Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:44 am

Klaudandus wrote:Plust not all the problems with the Bungles and the Raiders have been carson palmer's fault

The injury didnt help though



If you go back and look at his career as a whole

Carson Palmer
--------------------------------------------------------
Completions 2453
Attempts 3,920
Yards 28,170
COMP %62.6
TD's 182
INT'S 125
QB Rating 86.4

He has played in 116 games

He Averages:

completions 21.14
Attempts 33.79
Yards 242.8 yds
TDS: 1.56 TD's
INT'S: 1.077


I found a QB who I think we would all say is "Pretty Average" for the league. Bernie Kosar. Not Great, Not Terrible.

Bernie Kosar
--------------------------------------------------------
He played in 126 Games.

Completions 1994
Attempts 3365
Yards 23301
COMP 59.3
TD's 124
INT'S 87
QB Rating 81.8

Per Game
C - 15.82 - (-5.32 Compared)
A - 26.7 - (-7.09 Compared)
YDS - 184.9 (-57.9 Compared)
TDS - .98 (-.58 Compared)
INT - .69 (+.38 Compared, The only category that Kosar was "better" than him)

You could argue that those numbers aren't fair, because Bernie played in a different era (or you could say that Palmer is slightly better than average) Let's look at another Average QB that is Carson's Contemporary.

You could use current Qb's like PHillip Rivers (109 Games played)

Phillip Rivers
--------------------------------------------------------
C - 2134
A - 3337
YDS - 26488
Comp - 63.9
TD's - 178
INT - 90
QB Rating - 95.0

Per Game
C - 19.57 (-1.57 Compared)
A - 30.61 (-3.18 Compared)
YDS - 243 (+.2 Compared)
TD's - 1.633 (+.073 Compared)
INT'S - .82 (+.257 Compared)

You Could Argue that these numbers are close enough that they are... Similar QB's in "Quality by the Numbers"


Or you could compare him against someone people think is "Really Good" "Big Ben" (123 games played)

Ben. R.
--------------------------------------------------------
C - 2299
A - 3629
YDS - 28866
COMP - 63.4
TD's - 182
INT's - 104
QB Rating - 92.8

And you get a per game of
C - 18.69 (-2.45 Compared)
A - 29.5 (-4.29 Compared)
YDS - 234.68 (-8.12 Compared)
TD's - 1.47 (-.09 Compared)
INT - .84 (+.237 Compared)

I started running this to prove that Palmer wasn't very good. What I'm seeing is, that he is tasked with throwing more, and completing more than "the average", and is on par with "the Good" I uh... Well, I didn't expect this. He is asked to throw more often, and completes more throws (by % as well), for more yards, with a better TD Ratio. You could argue that the increased workload of throwing accounts for the INT's as well... Let's keep running some numbers... I'm surprised.


So let's see what "greatness" in "today's" league looks like.

Mr. Manning
--------------------------------------------------------
C - 4912
A - 7540
YDS - 57533
COMP - 65.1%
TD - 420
INT - 204
QB Rating - 95.5

He has played in 217 Games.

Per Game
C - 22.63 (+1.49 Compared)
A - 34.74 (+.95 Compared)
YDS - 265.12 (+22.32 Compared)
TD - 1.93 (+.37 Compared)
INT - .94 (+.137 Compared)

Finally, someone who throws more, at a better clip, for considerably more yards, with more TD's, and Less INT'S. I think it's safe to say, that we already knew that Palmer wasn't... Elite.


Or "Historical" Greatness
Mr. Marino
--------------------------------------------------------

C- 4967
A - 8358
YDS - 61361
Comp - 59.4 %
TD - 420
INT - 252
QB Rating - 86.4

Games PLayed 242

Per Game
C - 20.52 (-.62 Compared)
A - 34.53 (+.74 Compared)
YDS - 253.55 (+10.75 Compared)
TD - 1.735 (+.175 Compared)
INT - 1.04 (-.037 Compared)

So... That's interesting...

Huh... Maybe Palmer has a bad rap? Maybe he is a lot better than we have thought.... I uh... huh.. His #'s aren't Manning-esque, but, They really aren't that far off from a man that is considered a benchmark by which others are judged...
User avatar
Shoju
 
Posts: 6394
Joined: Mon May 19, 2008 7:15 am

Re: All about sports

Postby Flex » Fri Nov 16, 2012 1:37 pm

Playing in Cincinnati is a negative to any player, the franchise simply does not commit to win, they'll occasionally stumble into being competitive but being the Bungles they fall back to what they are quickly.

Palmer is about as pedestrian a QB you can get, completely okay and will be good on a better team, meaning he could be like a Jay Cutler type. Gets you to the playoffs every year but not capable of putting the team on his back. He fills the vast middle tier of QBs with the likes of everyone that isn't a Manning (heck even with 2 Superbowls Eli is completely workman in non-clutch games it seems), Brees, Brady or Roethlisberger (he's a bit hit and miss in the playoffs).
We live in a society where people born on third base constantly try to steal second, yet we expect people born with two strikes against them to hit a homerun on the first pitch.
User avatar
Flex
 
Posts: 7508
Joined: Tue Jul 10, 2007 7:29 am

Re: All about sports

Postby Fridmarr » Sat Nov 17, 2012 8:08 am

Roethlisberger is not in the same league has Brees, Brady, and Peyton.

Palmer is a good QB by NFL standards. I don't think Palmer has a bad rap, I think most people do believe he's pretty good. He's been to a couple of pro bowls and I think he was even an MVP once. He's firmly in that next rung of QBs after the handful of elite dudes, and certainly not an embarrassment to USC.
Fridmarr
Global Mod
 
Posts: 9671
Joined: Sun Apr 08, 2007 1:03 am

Re: All about sports

Postby Fetzie » Sat Nov 17, 2012 12:33 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20278530

Beating top team after top team feels so good.
Fetzie | Protection Paladin | EU-Kazzak
Author of the TankSpot Protection Paladin Guide
Image
Sagara wrote:You see, you need to *spread* the bun before you insert the hot dog.

bldavis wrote:we are trying to extend it as long as we can...it just never seems to last very long
User avatar
Fetzie
 
Posts: 2229
Joined: Sat Feb 07, 2009 9:43 am
Location: Karlsruhe, Germany

Re: All about sports

Postby Paxen » Sat Nov 17, 2012 7:31 pm

Football Outsiders rank Palmer as an average QB for 2009-2010 (dyar and dvoa ranked him from #10 to #18). This is post-shoulder injury playing for some not very good Bungles teams.

I actually found the earlier rankings here. They rank Palmer as #2/#3(!) in 2005, #3/#4 in 2006 and #6/#10 in 2007. His 2008 season ended early due to the shoulder injury.

His career averages out to pretty good, but not elite. But back in 2005/2006, he was an elite QB for a couple of years.

Edit: Conventional numbers for the 2005 season: 32 TDs (#1 in the league), 12 INTs, 3 696 passing yards (#2), 68% completed passes (again #2 amongst QBs with at least 100 passes, but Jamie Martin in #1 only threw 188 passes).
Paxen
 
Posts: 623
Joined: Mon Aug 17, 2009 3:38 am

Re: All about sports

Postby Fridmarr » Sat Nov 17, 2012 10:15 pm

bldavis wrote:i dont always root for A&M, but when i do, they beat the tide AT HOME!

GO AGGIES!
now we just need KSU to lose and the Ducks are #1!!!
rest of the season plays out right, ducks in national championship, and beavers in rose bowl! (yes i am from oregon, what was your first clue?)

Oof, and the ducks had a really good shot considering the teams left K state/Notre Dame are a MUCH better matchup for them than Alabama. Now the door has crept back open for the SEC.
Fridmarr
Global Mod
 
Posts: 9671
Joined: Sun Apr 08, 2007 1:03 am

Re: All about sports

Postby halabar » Sun Nov 18, 2012 12:02 am

Fridmarr wrote:
bldavis wrote:i dont always root for A&M, but when i do, they beat the tide AT HOME!

GO AGGIES!
now we just need KSU to lose and the Ducks are #1!!!
rest of the season plays out right, ducks in national championship, and beavers in rose bowl! (yes i am from oregon, what was your first clue?)

Oof, and the ducks had a really good shot considering the teams left K state/Notre Dame are a MUCH better matchup for them than Alabama. Now the door has crept back open for the SEC.


Yeah, after today, Alabama could be #2 again.
Amirya wrote:... because everyone needs a Catagonskin rug.

twinkfist wrote:i feel bad for the Mogu...having to deal with alcoholic bears.
User avatar
halabar
 
Posts: 9379
Joined: Fri Jun 08, 2007 8:21 am
Location: <in the guild that shall not be named>

PreviousNext

Return to General

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Google [Bot] and 1 guest

Who is online

In total there are 2 users online :: 1 registered, 0 hidden and 1 guest (based on users active over the past 5 minutes)
Most users ever online was 380 on Tue Oct 14, 2008 6:28 pm

Users browsing this forum: Google [Bot] and 1 guest