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Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

Postby Worldie » Sat Oct 20, 2012 10:51 am

Our tank's DPS looked normal this whole reset on all fights.

I'm with theck on this one: they probably just put something in place to avoid retarded gains of vengeance through soaking abilities you aren't intended to soak.
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Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

Postby Fetzie » Sat Oct 20, 2012 11:11 am

Didn't they say that overkill damage doesn't count for Vengeance any more? Pretty sure I saw a bluepost linked on MMO-C.
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Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

Postby Treck » Sat Oct 20, 2012 1:26 pm

Vengeance still works fine, whatever fix they did, it was purely for insane big hits.
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Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

Postby Treck » Sat Oct 20, 2012 1:27 pm

Pyrea wrote:Didn't they say that overkill damage doesn't count for Vengeance any more? Pretty sure I saw a bluepost linked on MMO-C.

It didnt before either.
But AD saved you from dying, while you used every available CD to mitigate the damage, the overkill damage would not give vengeance, but the mitigated damage that you take before AD kicks in gave you 600k vengeance.
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Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

Postby Fetzie » Sat Oct 20, 2012 5:58 pm

https://twitter.com/Ghostcrawler/status ... 3961555968

Saku ‏@Sakurako_00

@Ghostcrawler So, why change vengeance in the middle of progression? It makes a huge difference

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@Sakurako_00 It was bugged and causing too much tank damage.
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bldavis wrote:we are trying to extend it as long as we can...it just never seems to last very long
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Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

Postby Treck » Sat Oct 20, 2012 6:05 pm

Like I said earlier, If theres a bug with a DPS class able to do insane damage (like spellstealing before garajal) they usually fix it, mid progress.
Maybe they might change the HP of spirit kings (10man hc if that would be the case) to make up for it, but its a bug, its been working forever but not really been important before due to this is first tier of progress without a cap.

Im still interested in seeing how they changed it.
Doing some insane pulls on challenge modes confirms you can still reach way past 100k vengeance without problems, if theres a cap its above 170k atleast.
But soaking annihilate or Blood lord, only gives you 120k vengeance or so, meaning its some sort of fix for single attacks.
My bet is maximum of 100k vengeance per hit or smth.
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Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

Postby theckhd » Sat Oct 20, 2012 6:52 pm

Pyrea wrote:Didn't they say that overkill damage doesn't count for Vengeance any more? Pretty sure I saw a bluepost linked on MMO-C.

Yes, they did.

http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/294 ... ts-TCG-Art

Vengeance now ignores overkill damage.


That was Sept 28th though. My guess is that their original hotfix wasn't working quite properly, so they applied another hotfix to get it right.
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Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

Postby Skye1013 » Sat Oct 20, 2012 9:36 pm

Not sure what was going on yesterday, but my charsheet ilvl went from 463/466 to 433/450 without me having changed any gear. It was apparently just a charsheet thing, as I was still able to queue for LFR.

Also, my cloak (Shado-pan VP cloak) suddenly changed from Honored rep to Revered (which I don't have the rep to buy/equip) during the same time. So that might have been part of the ilvl issue. No clue if I was still getting the stats from it, because I didn't want to remove it and not be able to equip it again.

Everything was back to normal about 30 minutes later.
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Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

Postby PsiVen » Sun Oct 21, 2012 3:07 pm

Sounds like a cache glitch. I think my client still shows the VP Honored items as requiring Revered.
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Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

Postby Skye1013 » Sun Oct 21, 2012 4:29 pm

PsiVen wrote:Sounds like a cache glitch. I think my client still shows the VP Honored items as requiring Revered.

Could be. I had just installed NPCScan and I was hunting rares at the time. I had deleted my cache folder to start out fresh, so possibly related.
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Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

Postby halabar » Mon Oct 22, 2012 7:55 am

Skye1013 wrote:
PsiVen wrote:Sounds like a cache glitch. I think my client still shows the VP Honored items as requiring Revered.

Could be. I had just installed NPCScan and I was hunting rares at the time. I had deleted my cache folder to start out fresh, so possibly related.


Mine did that as well Friday night during raid.. haven't seen the problem since.
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Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

Postby Fetzie » Mon Oct 22, 2012 2:17 pm

Vengeance Changes clarification posted this evening/afternoon/morning depending on where in the world you live:

Daxxarri wrote:There has been some confusion about the recent changes to Vengeance that we’d like to clear up. Two things have changed with Vengeance lately:

  • Oct 8 - Vengeance should now ramp up more quickly. Avoidance will now grant Vengeance based on the average damage of the avoided NPC auto-attack, instead of just refreshing existing Vengeance. This does not apply to enemy special attacks.
There should be an addition to this: Vengeance was also reduced by 10% at the time that hotfix was noted. We apologize for that being missed in the patch notes. Vengeance now accrues at a rate of 1.8% of damage taken, down from 2.0%.

  • Oct 16 - Fixed an issue with the way that Vengeance is calculated that could cause very large but infrequent spikes of damage to grant much more than the intended amount of Vengeance.


Based on the hits a tank takes, Vengeance attempts to predict what 50% of average Vengeance for that level of incoming damage will be, and bumps the tank straight to that level. However, it previously based that calculation on a 1.5 second attack speed. It now bases the calculation on the enemy’s auto attack speed for auto attacks, and a 60 second interval for special attacks.

Tanks will still get the expected amount of Vengeance from the damage taken. This change just means that the first hit from a slow-attacking boss will bump Vengeance straight up to the expected amount.
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Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

Postby Treck » Mon Oct 22, 2012 2:21 pm

So am I reading this correctly?
Old version = you take 2 mill damage, you get vengeance as if you would keep taking that ammount of damage.
New version = When you take a damage spike, it averages the damage out over the past 60sec, and then gives you vengeance.
Or what am i missing?
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Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

Postby Darielle » Mon Oct 22, 2012 2:29 pm

Ish.
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Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

Postby Worldie » Mon Oct 22, 2012 2:46 pm

Basically they completely negating the "oh i will eat a stupid hit to have stupid vengeance and win the meters".

Fine by me.
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Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

Postby Treck » Mon Oct 22, 2012 2:58 pm

Not completely, but instead of getting 600k, you get 100k, so you do still get a bit out of it, its just not really worth as much.
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Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

Postby Passionario » Fri Oct 26, 2012 12:03 am

October 25

* General
The Valor Point rewards from random Dungeons, Challenge Mode Dungeons and Scenarios have increased.


Can anyone check how much they've changed?
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Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

Postby Worldie » Fri Oct 26, 2012 12:41 am

80 for first random hc, 40 for first scenario, then half for the following.
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Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

Postby Treck » Fri Oct 26, 2012 1:57 am

Instead of 60 and 30.
I guess more is nice, since capping is pretty annoying once you stop doing all dailys.
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Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

Postby KysenMurrin » Sun Oct 28, 2012 8:01 am

Looks like they've changed run speed while dead again. We're running at 165% in spirit form now.
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Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

Postby Skye1013 » Sun Oct 28, 2012 4:58 pm

Did the guild bonus increase or is that a base increase?
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Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

Postby Bellanka » Wed Oct 31, 2012 9:32 pm

Am I crazy, or did the enrage timer on Garalon increase by a minute?
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Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

Postby Darielle » Thu Nov 01, 2012 3:09 pm

You're not crazy. It was hotfixed to a 7 min Berserk instead of 6 min.
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Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

Postby Bellanka » Thu Nov 01, 2012 3:27 pm

Darielle wrote:You're not crazy. It was hotfixed to a 7 min Berserk instead of 6 min.


I was hoping my threats of cutting people where they pee made the DPS step it up, but nope ... stealth nerf. Bah.
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Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

Postby Darielle » Thu Nov 01, 2012 7:05 pm

THey also made it so that his Mend Leg is Faster and his Crush is "slower" (I'm guessing more delay between the passing and the Crush? I'll have to see during raid).
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