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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby valura » Fri Oct 19, 2012 4:56 am

Imo Blizz should've adapted the Bioware solution to the PVE vs PVP problem. In SW:TOR your (PVE) abilities are scaled down to approx 10% when used in PVP. You use 1 stat (Expertise) to boost your damage as well as defense in PVP, ignoring all other basic stats as possible modifiers for damage (although hit & crit carry over to PVP). Capping the Expertise level will result in you having the same dmg output as well as def/avoidance as using PvE gear in a PvE encounter.

Eg: Ability X does 5000 PvE damage on a mob of equal level
  • => Ability X (with 0 Expertise ) does 500 PvP damage on another player (with 0 Expertise)
  • => Ability X (with 10% Expertise ) does 550 PvP damage on another player (with 0 Expertise)
  • => Ability X (with 100% Expertise ) does 5000 PvP damage on another player (with 0 Expertise)
Mind you, this are not the actual numbers, but a representation of how it works.

That way, there's little or no necessity to buff or nerf certain abilities or whole specs post PTR. Iirc correctly the biggest changes they implemented were timing issues (ability activation timers, etc)
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Klaudandus » Fri Oct 19, 2012 5:46 am

And I just realized I havent done Klaxxi quests in more than a week -- completely forgot about those guys and their nice ring they give as a reward once you reach exalted *facedesk*
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby theckhd » Fri Oct 19, 2012 5:50 am

Klaudandus wrote:and I really really have no idea where AskMrRobot went wrong the last few days -- I can't seem to get the optimization working without it being completely derptastic, even with custom weights.

What's your armory link? It's been working pretty well for me, but I can take a look at your profile and see if I can replicate the weirdness.

<edit> Nevermind, I can read.

http://www.askmrrobot.com/wow/gear/usa/ ... klaudandus

Looks like it's working fine to me. It's reforging everything it can to hit/exp and gemming for stamina:
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MainHand : CritRating -> HitRating
Wrists : ParryRating -> ExpertiseRating
OffHand : DodgeRating -> ExpertiseRating
Hands : MasteryRating -> ExpertiseRating
Ring2 : DodgeRating -> ExpertiseRating
Trinket2 : MasteryRating -> ExpertiseRating
Legs : DodgeRating -> HitRating
Ring1 : MasteryRating -> HitRating
Head : ParryRating -> ExpertiseRating
Waist : DodgeRating -> HitRating
Shoulders : ParryRating -> ExpertiseRating
Feet : CritRating -> ExpertiseRating
Neck : DodgeRating -> HitRating
Back : ParryRating -> ExpertiseRating
Chest : ParryRating -> HitRating
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Klaudandus » Fri Oct 19, 2012 6:04 am

are we supposed to shed that much mastery? i am losing 6% or so of mastery.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby theckhd » Fri Oct 19, 2012 6:15 am

In the control schemes, yes. Your first priority is hit cap and expertise hard cap.

Similarly with Treck's character:
http://www.askmrrobot.com/wow/gear/eu/t ... er/treckie

I used the control/haste scheme for him, and apart from the missing cloak enchant, it's just transferring one dodge->exp reforge to dodge->hit, since he's below both caps and hit is more valuable.

<edit> actually, that's sort of weird - it should be replacing all of his haste/stam gems with hit/stam gems. If I do that manually, it gives me a higher score (and lets him reach hit cap, of course). But I know the algorithm has still been having trouble with haste vs. hit, even on my character. I generally just force it to use hit/stam, exp/stam, and stam gems in yellow, red, and blue sockets respectively, and let it optimize reforges around that.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Klaudandus » Fri Oct 19, 2012 6:41 am

i see
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Shoju » Fri Oct 19, 2012 7:26 am

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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby econ21 » Fri Oct 19, 2012 7:39 am

Klaudandus wrote:And I just realized I havent done Klaxxi quests in more than a week -- completely forgot about those guys and their nice ring they give as a reward once you reach exalted *facedesk*


Yeah, I had a double take when I remembered about them. The same goes for the Golden Lotus. On balance, however, I'll leave them be. Both factions dailies are seriously grindy and time consuming. And while rings are nice, they are not make or break for me, unlike a big ticket item like a helm. I'm now working on AC and SP, which seem lighter touch dailies. I may return to Klaxxi/GL when I hit revered on SP - I may need the VPs, I fear. (30 VPs for a heroic seems just punitive.)
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby twinkfist » Fri Oct 19, 2012 10:45 am

was thinking that something was missing from my gear...and then realized that my toon is a blacksmith and i forgot to socket my bracers and gloves. i make myself tired.

also, i'm just putting this out there now because i know i won't get it...frustrated with the horseman for not giving me his mount or helm.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Nooska » Fri Oct 19, 2012 10:51 am

hit/stam gems? aren't both hit and stam blue?
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Gab » Fri Oct 19, 2012 11:35 am

Nooska wrote:hit/stam gems? aren't both hit and stam blue?


Hit is yellow now. Nimble is the hit/stam can't recall what the pure hit is called atm.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Treck » Fri Oct 19, 2012 11:43 am

No, actually not, Hit is still blue.
Hit used to be yellow, but for some reason hit/sta gems are still green, even if it "should" be blue/blue :P
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Gab » Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:05 pm

Treck wrote:No, actually not, Hit is still blue.
Hit used to be yellow, but for some reason hit/sta gems are still green, even if it "should" be blue/blue :P


Maybe that's why I couldn't recall a pure yellow hit! Definitely strange but helpful none the less.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Nooska » Fri Oct 19, 2012 3:38 pm

Hmm I have to change my BM guide on gemming then... Oh wait, hit/agi is purple (like it should be), I was thinking exp/agi, which are both red.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Skye1013 » Sat Oct 20, 2012 12:28 am

Bellanka wrote:
Klaudandus wrote:Flagging and killing the other rAid is kosher, the chain taunt thing to reset the boss isnt


That isn't kosher on a PVE server, but Alterac Mountains is PVP. killing the other faction is fair play here, and half the fun :P

I'm a little behind on this thread, and maybe someone mentioned this already, but it wasn't alliance killing horde to gain control of Galleon... it was horde using Earth Elemental totems to taunt (not Rockbiter, as apparently that doesn't work according to the thread's comments) to steal the boss away (resetting it, then aoeing the spawn point) from other horde players.

As for the BMAH, that's also not kosher, since it was again, horde vs horde. If someone kills (alliance vs horde) you while you try to talk to the auctioneer or get to the mailbox, that's an entirely different scenario.
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