What seal with the 10.3.12 hotfix?

Warning: Theorycraft inside.

Moderators: Fridmarr, Worldie, Aergis, theckhd

Re: What seal with the 10.3.12 hotfix?

Postby Carabas » Thu Oct 11, 2012 2:44 am

I took a look at raidbot for some clue about protection dps and I am quite disappointed about our situation. DK dps is first pretty much in every fight by far (10%) and paladin is at best in 3rd position. Since tank dps do matter, we're not in a good spot.
Image
Carabas
 
Posts: 26
Joined: Mon Jan 25, 2010 3:05 am

Re: What seal with the 10.3.12 hotfix?

Postby Extermi » Thu Oct 11, 2012 3:23 am

Just go ahead and also look on the healing charts :-)
Extermi
 
Posts: 230
Joined: Mon Oct 22, 2007 1:23 pm

Re: What seal with the 10.3.12 hotfix?

Postby Carabas » Thu Oct 11, 2012 5:45 am

Extermi wrote:Just go ahead and also look on the healing charts :-)


It's nice to help healing, but unless there is an Anub'Arak fight or you can spare a healer, it is meaningless.
Image
Carabas
 
Posts: 26
Joined: Mon Jan 25, 2010 3:05 am

Re: What seal with the 10.3.12 hotfix?

Postby jere » Thu Oct 11, 2012 6:48 am

Darielle wrote:This is a side note, but for people who haven't cottoned on or are like "LOL Wrath, why Blizzard laugh at Paladins", getting Symbiosis from a Druid and Wrathing as Prot does ridiculous damage.

Does wrath have a cast time for Prot, or is it given to us as instant cast?
Image
User avatar
jere
 
Posts: 2992
Joined: Fri May 11, 2007 5:12 pm

Re: What seal with the 10.3.12 hotfix?

Postby branar » Thu Oct 11, 2012 7:59 am

It has a cast time. 2.0s(modified by Seal of Insight and other sources of haste), 850 mana cost, dealing 13,794 + 140% of AP in damage.

It really makes for pretty solid damage if you've got even a bit of Vengeance.
branar
 
Posts: 2
Joined: Thu Oct 11, 2012 7:51 am

Re: What seal with the 10.3.12 hotfix?

Postby jere » Thu Oct 11, 2012 9:48 am

hmmm,

That makes it problematic as that can open you up to taking a lot more damage if you are the tank being hit at the time (no dodge/parry/block while casting). I haven't done any of the raid encounters yet though, so there might be uses for it.
Image
User avatar
jere
 
Posts: 2992
Joined: Fri May 11, 2007 5:12 pm

Re: What seal with the 10.3.12 hotfix?

Postby Phonic » Thu Oct 11, 2012 2:35 pm

Off tanking Gara the spirit binder would be a good opportunity :p
User avatar
Phonic
 
Posts: 206
Joined: Wed Jun 25, 2008 7:52 am

Re: What seal with the 10.3.12 hotfix?

Postby branar » Fri Oct 12, 2012 12:23 pm

Yeah I think most of the time it won't be worth it (which is probably as it should be - who wants to lose tons of effective DPS any time a druid's not around to cast Symbiosis, or when someone else needs to get Symbiosis instead?). But it's got situational uses for sure.
branar
 
Posts: 2
Joined: Thu Oct 11, 2012 7:51 am

Re: What seal with the 10.3.12 hotfix?

Postby theckhd » Fri Oct 12, 2012 6:54 pm

Symbiosis hotfixed. We now get Rebirth instead of Wrath. Fun nerfed. :(
"Theck, Bringer of Numbers and Pounding Headaches," courtesy of Grehn|Skipjack.
Simcraft 6.x, Call to Arms 6.0, Talent Spec & Glyph Guide 6.x, Blog: Sacred Duty
User avatar
theckhd
Moderator
 
Posts: 8029
Joined: Thu Jul 31, 2008 3:06 pm
Location: Harrisburg, PA

Re: What seal with the 10.3.12 hotfix?

Postby Treck » Fri Oct 12, 2012 7:06 pm

It was way to overpowered as a tank just doing fulltime dps on some fights with damage dealing abilities you can use CDs for to survive.
User avatar
Treck
 
Posts: 2129
Joined: Thu Aug 21, 2008 8:10 am

Re: What seal with the 10.3.12 hotfix?

Postby Skye1013 » Fri Oct 12, 2012 10:11 pm

theckhd wrote:Symbiosis hotfixed. We now get Rebirth instead of Wrath. Fun nerfed. :(

Are battle rezzes still hard capped?
"me no gay, me friends gay, me no like you call me gay, you dumb dumb" -bldavis
"Here are the values that I stand for: I stand for honesty, equality, kindness, compassion, treating people the way you wanna be treated, and helping those in need. To me, those are traditional values. That’s what I stand for." -Ellen Degeneres
"I'm not going to censor myself to comfort your ignorance." -Jon Stewart
Horde: Clopin Dylon Sharkbait Xiaman Metria Metapriest
Alliance: Schatze Aleks Deegee Baileyi Sotanaht Danfer Shazta Rawrsalot Roobyroo
User avatar
Skye1013
Maintankadonor
 
Posts: 3984
Joined: Tue May 18, 2010 5:47 am
Location: JBPH-Hickam, Hawaii

Re: What seal with the 10.3.12 hotfix?

Postby theckhd » Fri Oct 12, 2012 10:33 pm

Yep.
"Theck, Bringer of Numbers and Pounding Headaches," courtesy of Grehn|Skipjack.
Simcraft 6.x, Call to Arms 6.0, Talent Spec & Glyph Guide 6.x, Blog: Sacred Duty
User avatar
theckhd
Moderator
 
Posts: 8029
Joined: Thu Jul 31, 2008 3:06 pm
Location: Harrisburg, PA

Re: What seal with the 10.3.12 hotfix?

Postby Fetzie » Sat Oct 13, 2012 5:20 am

So a paladin in a 10 man will never get Symbiosis.
Fetzie | Protection Paladin | EU-Kazzak
Author of the TankSpot Protection Paladin Guide
Image
Sagara wrote:You see, you need to *spread* the bun before you insert the hot dog.

bldavis wrote:we are trying to extend it as long as we can...it just never seems to last very long
User avatar
Fetzie
 
Posts: 2229
Joined: Sat Feb 07, 2009 9:43 am
Location: Karlsruhe, Germany

Re: What seal with the 10.3.12 hotfix?

Postby Sagara » Sat Oct 13, 2012 5:27 am

Depends. I tought about that, and the big risk with having only a druid, is that you may not have another Brez available. A symbyosed Paladin can cover that up.

Then again you'd need 1 druid, 0 DK, 0 Warlock and 0 Hunters. Pretty rare, even in a 10-man.
When that day comes, seek all the light and wonder of this world, and fight.

Worldie wrote:I used to like it [mean] back on Sylvanas.

Queldan - EU Stormrage (H) - Good night, sweet prince.
User avatar
Sagara
 
Posts: 3453
Joined: Mon Jan 12, 2009 1:04 am
Location: Belgium

Re: What seal with the 10.3.12 hotfix?

Postby Fetzie » Sat Oct 13, 2012 5:38 am

We have a resto druid, a warlock and a death knight in our 10man :) And don't the cooldowns on battle rezzes reset on wipe?
Fetzie | Protection Paladin | EU-Kazzak
Author of the TankSpot Protection Paladin Guide
Image
Sagara wrote:You see, you need to *spread* the bun before you insert the hot dog.

bldavis wrote:we are trying to extend it as long as we can...it just never seems to last very long
User avatar
Fetzie
 
Posts: 2229
Joined: Sat Feb 07, 2009 9:43 am
Location: Karlsruhe, Germany

PreviousNext

Return to Advanced Theorycraft and Calculations

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Bing [Bot], honorshammer, Yahoo [Bot] and 1 guest

Who is online

In total there are 4 users online :: 3 registered, 0 hidden and 1 guest (based on users active over the past 5 minutes)
Most users ever online was 380 on Tue Oct 14, 2008 6:28 pm

Users browsing this forum: Bing [Bot], honorshammer, Yahoo [Bot] and 1 guest