What seal with the 10.3.12 hotfix?

[Carabas]

I took a look at raidbot for some clue about protection dps and I am quite disappointed about our situation. DK dps is first pretty much in every fight by far (10%) and paladin is at best in 3rd position. Since tank dps do matter, we're not in a good spot.

[Extermi]

Just go ahead and also look on the healing charts

[Carabas]

Just go ahead and also look on the healing charts

It's nice to help healing, but unless there is an Anub'Arak fight or you can spare a healer, it is meaningless.

[jere]

This is a side note, but for people who haven't cottoned on or are like "LOL Wrath, why Blizzard laugh at Paladins", getting Symbiosis from a Druid and Wrathing as Prot does ridiculous damage.

Does wrath have a cast time for Prot, or is it given to us as instant cast?

[branar]

It has a cast time. 2.0s(modified by Seal of Insight and other sources of haste), 850 mana cost, dealing 13,794 + 140% of AP in damage.

It really makes for pretty solid damage if you've got even a bit of Vengeance.

[jere]

hmmm,

That makes it problematic as that can open you up to taking a lot more damage if you are the tank being hit at the time (no dodge/parry/block while casting). I haven't done any of the raid encounters yet though, so there might be uses for it.

[Phonic]

Off tanking Gara the spirit binder would be a good opportunity :p

[branar]

Yeah I think most of the time it won't be worth it (which is probably as it should be - who wants to lose tons of effective DPS any time a druid's not around to cast Symbiosis, or when someone else needs to get Symbiosis instead?). But it's got situational uses for sure.

[theckhd]

Symbiosis hotfixed. We now get Rebirth instead of Wrath. Fun nerfed.

[Treck]

It was way to overpowered as a tank just doing fulltime dps on some fights with damage dealing abilities you can use CDs for to survive.

[Skye1013]

Symbiosis hotfixed. We now get Rebirth instead of Wrath. Fun nerfed.

Are battle rezzes still hard capped?

[theckhd]

Yep.

[Fetzie]

So a paladin in a 10 man will never get Symbiosis.

[Sagara]

Depends. I tought about that, and the big risk with having only a druid, is that you may not have another Brez available. A symbyosed Paladin can cover that up.

Then again you'd need 1 druid, 0 DK, 0 Warlock and 0 Hunters. Pretty rare, even in a 10-man.

[Fetzie]

We have a resto druid, a warlock and a death knight in our 10man And don't the cooldowns on battle rezzes reset on wipe?