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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Resolute » Thu Sep 13, 2012 8:27 am

Thanks Nooska

I do have RF up. It's a great question to ask. I will admit that after rolling Ret for so long the first time I tanked I had forgotten it. Not pretty.

This is the rotation I am using. I pulled it from the 5.0.4 Prot Pally thread on EJ. I am also using their AoE rotation as well for AoE tanking.
CS – J - AS – CS – J – CS – Cons - HW
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby KysenMurrin » Thu Sep 13, 2012 9:47 am

Honestly "build" doesn't make much difference at all in 5.0. You have everything you need to tank before you even add in glyphs and talents. Your hit/expertise levels might make a difference but threat shouldn't be a big issue with the 5x threat modifier. AoE might be a different matter depending on who you're up against.

If you're doing the exact rotation you listed then you have an empty GCD between the 2nd CS and 2nd Judgement. The basic structure of the rotation is:
CS-J-X-CS-X-J-CS-X-X then repeat.
X is replaced by AS>Cons>HW (or SS refresh).
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Shieldeah » Mon Oct 01, 2012 12:46 am

Hi! This thread hasn't been used in a bit so I'm here to disturb that. :D
I'm looking to optimize my gear setup when it comes to reforging, I'm still missing a few pieces here and there to actually complete my tanking set. I'm not sure if I should keep reforging for hit *edit: I'm now hitcapped for the moment* or if I should start reforging for more mastery or expertise, here's my armory, btw, http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/t ... die/simple
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby daishan » Mon Oct 01, 2012 5:50 am

Personally I'm going for hit and exp soft caps as I just like the extra control so much.
I've been very lucky with gear, as much as I dislike the idea of the BMAH I'll take any advantage I can get. I've gone for mastery heavy gemming, but I'm starting to think gemming for stam might be better for hm's (hopefully next week).
Here's my armoury I'm a little high on hit and exp atm http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/s ... n/advanced
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Schroom » Thu Oct 04, 2012 3:18 pm

pvp gear seems to be the best pre-raid alternative. Anyone know how strong the 4 piece ret pvp bonus ist for tanks? 1 free Holypower every 8 seconds seems really really strong
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Treck » Thu Oct 04, 2012 3:44 pm

Its actually really really nice.
I used it on Beta cause of the gear scaling anyway, not quite as sure currently, but the pieces are better than most 5man hc gear.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Schroom » Fri Oct 05, 2012 12:13 am

ok so after I bought the Helmet before raid yesterday to at least have a metagem (had a 415 greencrap and no dropluck -.-) I guess I'll be doing some BGs this WeekEnd
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby degre » Mon Oct 08, 2012 7:19 am

Treck wrote:Its actually really really nice.
I used it on Beta cause of the gear scaling anyway, not quite as sure currently, but the pieces are better than most 5man hc gear.

Not only some pieces give us better stats, but I have just noticed on the armory that the pants I bought appears to be 464 instead of 458 now. Since I don't have access to the game at the moment, could anyone have a look? Because if that's the case I'm so buying more pvp gear.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Sagara » Mon Oct 08, 2012 7:30 am

It WAS 464 at release, then bumped back to 458 (while justice stuff was bumped to 458 from 450)
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby degre » Mon Oct 08, 2012 7:37 am

I see, thanks, so it might simply be a case of armory not updated?
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Sagara » Mon Oct 08, 2012 7:41 am

You have NO idea >_< I was skimming interesting Justice/Honor rewards, and while everything honor-related is all nice and tidy in Kun-Lai, Justice is friggin' ALL OVER THE PLACE!!

Add to THAT that some pieces don't have rep requirement, and not every link on wowhead seems to link to the same items, it's not easy to follow up on the status.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby degre » Mon Oct 08, 2012 7:46 am

Commander Lo Ping at Niuzao Temple is the official Justice Quartermaster, he sells every JP piece from all available reps.

And by the way, checking both honour and justice gear on wowhead and the armory it appears that on wowhead is all reported as 458 while armory shows honour as 464 and justice as 450, so it seems that I got excited for nothing and is simply the armory not updated.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Sagara » Mon Oct 08, 2012 9:47 am

Good catch! OMW this instant!
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Taeron » Tue Oct 09, 2012 2:28 am

Is Relic of Niuzao any good for us now that it has been buffed (added stamina)?

Alternatives being all of Coren's trinkets and Heart of Fire. I'm a bit lost as to what I should get and if Niuzao one, even when replace the stamina Coren trinkets, is worth 10k.

Only thing that has me going is the insane on use dodge that Niuzao trinket gives for 12sec every minute... but, it's dodge...
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Treck » Tue Oct 09, 2012 3:53 am

The Darkmoon trinket is good, but expensive.
Atleast it got a decent ammount of dodge compared to the sucker trinkets giving like 3-4k dodge on use/procc.
Thisone gives about 9% avoidance, thats pretty decent for a trinket imo.
I prolly wont replace it ever, and use it together with the trash trinket from heroics with mastery on use.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Klaudandus » Tue Oct 09, 2012 7:14 pm

is there a gemming guide for MoP?
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Fenris » Wed Oct 10, 2012 5:47 am

Wowhead is down so i can't direct link...

So...

http://www.wowpedia.org/Serrated_Forearm_Guards

VS

http://www.wowpedia.org/Bracers_of_Six_Oxen#Raid_Finder

Secondary stats are way better on the blue ones (going control-way) but obviously the lfr nes have a higher total value...
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Klaudandus » Sun Oct 14, 2012 7:08 pm

Ok, i couldnt cap VP the first week, but I almost got 3K VP anyways -- what should I buy first?
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Sagara » Sun Oct 14, 2012 11:06 pm

The Shado-pan trinket looks pretty rad, and would be my first choice (if I had the rep!!!)
The chest looks kickass with Hit/Expertise, but the set piece is not bad, so you'll probably replace it early.
The ring would be a nice idea (since you need two of them), but the itemisation is *ungh*
The rest is so-so, with either Haste/Mastery of some combinaison of Parry/Dodge with another, better stat.

I bought the necklace, and am looking forward to FINALLY getting Shado-pan rep. *grumbles*
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Fenris » Mon Oct 15, 2012 5:20 am

Sagara wrote:The Shado-pan trinket looks pretty rad, and would be my first choice (if I had the rep!!!)
The chest looks kickass with Hit/Expertise, but the set piece is not bad, so you'll probably replace it early.
The ring would be a nice idea (since you need two of them), but the itemisation is *ungh*
The rest is so-so, with either Haste/Mastery of some combinaison of Parry/Dodge with another, better stat.

I bought the necklace, and am looking forward to FINALLY getting Shado-pan rep. *grumbles*

I was looking at the equip ranking while toying with stats weights for the mrRobot topic.Going by the numbers theck suggests

Shado-pan trinket ranks second in the non-heroic gear ranking
Golden lotus shoulders rank fourth
Everything else is way behind for the relative slot,so from that point of view those should be the 2 best pieces to buy,more so considering that it seems everything valor-related /the trinket will get swapped out with raid drops when the 2 new instances open

P.s: actually,the chest ranks third BUT the mega-lizard world boss drops both the first and the forth in the ranking,while the crafted one is second,so out of all of them chest is the slot with most options already avaiable
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Klaudandus » Mon Oct 15, 2012 5:48 am

Correct me if im wrong, but i havent seen any enchant/gem/gearing guide for 5.0.5
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Skye1013 » Mon Oct 15, 2012 6:56 pm

Gearing guide: Str plate pieces without crit.
Gem guide: Hit/Exp if not capped. Stam/mastery/haste if capped.
Enchant guide: See gem guide.


Ok, so this is a smartass response, but I'd imagine part of it is due to there being a couple of different gearing paths, making your gear/gem/enchant choices depend on which route you choose to go.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Nova » Wed Oct 17, 2012 9:46 am

Hi everybody! First time posting, long-time reader.

Here's my profile.

In my guild, we're working with Mogu'shan Vaults. The encounter with Gara'Jal the Spirit Binder has brought some issues in yesterday's raid, mainly because my raid leader was pretty mad at me for reforging to Hit and Expertise and out of Avoidance stats, telling me that that's no proper tank, among other things. When it was my turn to tank Gara'Jal, sometimes the damage would spike up, and the healers were struggling healing me and my Voodoo companions.

I tried to explain to him that Mists of Pandaria's Protection Paladin model favors "DPS" stats over avoidance, as described both in Sacred Duty (here) and Icy Veins (here) as well as in Elitist Jerks.

Thing is, I need advice. This expansion's gearing model threw me off-balance, and I'm not sure if I'm doing my reforging right. As mentioned, I've been reading Theck's posts, WoW Insider's, Elitist Jerks' and Icy-Vein's, but it seems it's causing conflict within my raid group.

So, any tips and/or recommendations for my gear? Granted, I still have to farm Heroic Dungeons and craft me some gear, but I want to know if the direction I'm taking is right.

I'm favored towards the "control" model: "Hit cap, Expertise soft(hard) cap > Mastery > Haste > Dodge = Parry"

Thanks a lot in advance, much appreciated.

PS: I apologize for my English. It's not my native language.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Klaudandus » Wed Oct 17, 2012 9:59 am

You are doing it right. The problem is that blizz went from us not caring about hit/exp to being completely dependent on it. Discounting divine purpose, we are very binary in our hp generation. Its just a big paradigm shift for everyone to see that any piece of plate gear is for our main spec unless it had intellect or crit.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Nova » Wed Oct 17, 2012 10:08 am

Yeah... but isn't a bit extreme? In many cases, DPS gear is actually better for us than proper "tank" gear. I don't think that's a very smart move.

I mean, I'm all for Active Mitigation. But so active that we have to become almost DPS classes? In most fights I'm even outperforming our DPS players! :(
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