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Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

Postby PsiVen » Wed Oct 03, 2012 5:17 pm

Huh... If that's really post-nerf damage already, I see why 100k+ noncrit Censure ticks would be nerfed. I had no idea the numbers were so out of whack.
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Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

Postby Fetzie » Wed Oct 03, 2012 5:39 pm

When you start giving players 150k AP, stuff goes wierd. WTB item level crunch, pst.
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Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

Postby Skye1013 » Wed Oct 03, 2012 5:44 pm

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Worldie wrote:I just say no tank, even the best I've met, can outdps me in heroics if i'm actually playing properly and not just autoattacking.

If a DPS is outdpsd by tanks, even on AoE, he's just slacking or incompetent.



I havent seen any DPS doing 125-130k DPS on a trash pack.

I do hit those numbers, light's hammer is op ;) (benefits from AW and Inquisition)

Met a ele shaman racing well over 110k dps on trashs, and a frost mage hitting 160k in some unknown way.

How many shadow priests have you seen doing that? I certainly haven't figured it out. If I dot everything, stuff dies before it really has a chance to fully tick. If I Mind Sear, I don't even come close. I do get some nice numbers when I'm able to Halo, but I have to be careful not to pull extra packs of mobs from it.
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Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

Postby Darielle » Wed Oct 03, 2012 6:28 pm

How many shadow priests have you seen doing that? I certainly haven't figured it out. If I dot everything, stuff dies before it really has a chance to fully tick. If I Mind Sear, I don't even come close. I do get some nice numbers when I'm able to Halo, but I have to be careful not to pull extra packs of mobs from it.


The Halo numbers are what come into play. Other people hitting high numbers are also using cooldowns, like Light's Hammer, or even with tanks stuff like Dancing Rune Weapon which is bugged to interact with Blood Boil. I think I crossed 200k on a pull one of the few times I wasn't tanking as Feral with Trash/Swipe and Tiger's Fury/Berserk interaction.
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Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

Postby lakhesis » Wed Oct 03, 2012 8:43 pm

PsiVen wrote:(Edit): Apparently SoT was a ludicrous majority of our damage. O.O


Yeah, looking at the WoL reports I can see exactly why they've kneejerk nerfed it. The % of damage coming from censure in a raid situation was pretty cheesy.

Their solution is horrendously kneejerk though. And Holy Wrath is a terrible place to add compensatory damage.
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Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

Postby Skye1013 » Wed Oct 03, 2012 8:53 pm

Darielle wrote:
How many shadow priests have you seen doing that? I certainly haven't figured it out. If I dot everything, stuff dies before it really has a chance to fully tick. If I Mind Sear, I don't even come close. I do get some nice numbers when I'm able to Halo, but I have to be careful not to pull extra packs of mobs from it.


The Halo numbers are what come into play. Other people hitting high numbers are also using cooldowns, like Light's Hammer, or even with tanks stuff like Dancing Rune Weapon which is bugged to interact with Blood Boil. I think I crossed 200k on a pull one of the few times I wasn't tanking as Feral with Trash/Swipe and Tiger's Fury/Berserk interaction.

Halo is just so impractical in a lot of situations (particularly in groups that like to skip certain trash packs that can't be LoS'd.) I suppose I should take solace in the fact that I can still pull fairly even numbers on boss fights and not worry so much about trash (since it's trash...)
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Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

Postby Torquemada » Thu Oct 04, 2012 12:18 am

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Raive wrote:I'm definitely gonna miss that damage from seal of truth while daily grinding, I'd generally pull 4-5 enemies at a time (the exception being when you're up against those asshats that stun you forever) cons, holy wrath, lights hammer and then tab target to keep 5 censure stacks on all of them. I've also been using the old cleave trinket from DS and the flamethrower trinket when I can remember to put them on.

Suppose I'll just switch to SoI and try to pull larger groups or something.


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Actually, as I've been away from WoW since the launch of SWTOR, I'm leveling prot to work on the rotation and see how things have changed. The fact that I'm in Afghanistan with a truly godawful ping is another reason. I'm not a fan of dying, and being a tank helps with that.
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Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

Postby Worldie » Thu Oct 04, 2012 4:25 am

Skye1013 wrote:How many shadow priests have you seen doing that? I certainly haven't figured it out. If I dot everything, stuff dies before it really has a chance to fully tick. If I Mind Sear, I don't even come close. I do get some nice numbers when I'm able to Halo, but I have to be careful not to pull extra packs of mobs from it.

Shadow priests AoE is awful, but i've still seen them hitting 70-80k Dps on trashs in some way.

And yes, to pull stupid numbers on trashs you have to spam cooldowns :p If i'm just doing my normal rotation I barely hit 50k on AoE.
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Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

Postby jere » Thu Oct 04, 2012 5:54 am

The damage changes dropped my damage a little bit, but nothing terrible. I at least don't have to tab-target-apply-SoT now, since the damage is mostly moved to AS and HW. I might have to swap bar locations for HW and Consecration if HW ends up being better, just for my muscle memory.

That said, I never really felt that Prot was too slow. I ended up levelling to 90 pretty quickly as Prot (in less than 3 days, and that is with about 6 hours of farming ore, fishing, and farming meat for cooking). I still do dailies as prot and tend to knock them all out pretty quick.
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Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

Postby Worldie » Thu Oct 04, 2012 7:00 am

Question: is it me or AS now only silences the first mob it hits?
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Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

Postby degre » Thu Oct 04, 2012 7:05 am

Worldie wrote:Question: is it me or AS now only silences the first mob it hits?

Since 5.0 AS has a 3 seconds silence.
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Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

Postby jere » Thu Oct 04, 2012 7:24 am

I think he is referring to whether second and third targets are affected by silence versus the just the first target.
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Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

Postby Worldie » Thu Oct 04, 2012 8:03 am

^ that.
If i cast it on 3 caster mobs only one gets silenced/interrupted for me.
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Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

Postby degre » Thu Oct 04, 2012 8:45 am

My apologies, allow me to rephrase.

Since 5.0 AS has a 3 seconds silence only on the first target.

Which I suppose is as intended, a multitarget silence would be quite overpowered.
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Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

Postby Worldie » Thu Oct 04, 2012 8:51 am

Well it used to silence/interrupt all 3 targets before MoP.
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Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

Postby degre » Thu Oct 04, 2012 8:56 am

Worldie wrote:Well it used to silence/interrupt all 3 targets before MoP.

Used to interrupt, now also silence.
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Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

Postby KysenMurrin » Thu Oct 04, 2012 9:23 am

Hasn't it silenced through all of Cata?
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Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

Postby Pruke » Thu Oct 04, 2012 9:28 am

I remember casting it on a pack of 2-3 casters in cata and all 3 coming to the tank on the initial pull. Not just the primary target, so it seems that it used to interupt or stop spell casting at least for a brief period of time when used. Now it doesn't, but to be honest I always felt it was a bit overpowered for 1 tank to be able to ranged pull casters as if they were melee.
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Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

Postby Sabindeus » Thu Oct 04, 2012 10:39 am

degre wrote:
Worldie wrote:Well it used to silence/interrupt all 3 targets before MoP.

Used to interrupt, now also silence.


No, it also silenced.
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Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

Postby jere » Thu Oct 04, 2012 11:16 am

Yep it both silenced and interrupted for a long while now.
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Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

Postby KysenMurrin » Thu Oct 04, 2012 1:48 pm

IIRC they added it to Shield of the Templar (right name?) talent during WotLK, 3 sec silence on all targets, and it's been that way ever since.
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Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

Postby Treck » Thu Oct 04, 2012 2:09 pm

Not any more tho, it only affects its main target.
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Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

Postby Skye1013 » Thu Oct 04, 2012 5:17 pm

Just started leveling my pally last night (got through the first couple of quests in Jade Forest while doing some mining) and I have to say I think I'm going to enjoy leveling as prot. I love being able to pull 4-5 groups of mobs and just aoeing them down while ending with full hp/mana. I'm sure the "rotation" I'm using isn't optimal for tanking a dungeon, but it certainly works well enough for solo questing.
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Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

Postby masterpoobaa » Thu Oct 04, 2012 8:00 pm

Skye,
While you can do it as prot, I found it FAR FAR quicker as ret.
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Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

Postby Skye1013 » Thu Oct 04, 2012 8:09 pm

Not having a ret spec, and not wanting to get used to it being "quicker" then getting disappointed when I go back to prot later, I'll live with what I have. It's still quicker (and more survivable) than multi-dotting with my spriest.
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