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What seal with the 10.3.12 hotfix?

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What seal with the 10.3.12 hotfix?

Postby Chronos » Wed Oct 03, 2012 4:52 pm

What seal should we use? SOT dmg nerfed by 80%, SoR > SoT for dmg output now? Not sure if the tooltip reflects the change yet or not, don't remember what it used to be. Not really wanting to use SoI.

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Re: What seal with the 10.3.12 hotfix?

Postby Torquemada » Wed Oct 03, 2012 11:38 pm

Short version via TheckMath(TM): SoT is a better single target damage seal. SoR doesn't pull ahead until you're at 3+ mobs, and then, only if you can't find a way to stack Censure on all 3+ of them. For more info, click here: http://maintankadin.failsafedesign.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=32805&start=90#p742518.
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Re: What seal with the 10.3.12 hotfix?

Postby Extermi » Thu Oct 04, 2012 12:37 am

My recommendation:

1) Use SoL (just eat it *g*)
2) Equip Battle Healer Glyph
3) Top the healing charts in Heroics ;-)

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Re: What seal with the 10.3.12 hotfix?

Postby Winkle » Thu Oct 04, 2012 5:22 am

Seal of Light also seems to generate considerably more threat than SoT. I thought healing threat was reduced by 90% some time ago but i definitely noticed a considerable change to my threat when i switched mid way through a MV run.
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Re: What seal with the 10.3.12 hotfix?

Postby theckhd » Thu Oct 04, 2012 5:33 am

Extermi wrote:My recommendation:

1) Use SoL (just eat it *g*)
2) Equip Battle Healer Glyph
3) Top the healing charts in Heroics ;-)

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Battle Healer is good, but it's not that good. I did notice that I was worth about half a healer in the heroics I did last night though, which is pretty impressive. If your healer can put up some DoTs or something with those spare GCDs, it might be a net DPS gain for the group in challenge modes.

Winkle wrote:Seal of Light also seems to generate considerably more threat than SoT. I thought healing threat was reduced by 90% some time ago but i definitely noticed a considerable change to my threat when i switched mid way through a MV run.

It probably does now. If I recall correctly, healing threat is ~50% for most abilities (paging Dr. Jere?). Or 25%. Even at 25%, SoI will out-threat SoT+Censure. It seems like the Battle Healer glyph grants threat too. On Darkmaster Gandling last night, doing the achievement, I literally had to do nothing to pull the adds off of my healer. Battle Healer + SoI was doing enough threat that they just came straight to me.
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Re: What seal with the 10.3.12 hotfix?

Postby Sagara » Thu Oct 04, 2012 5:44 am

theckhd wrote:
Winkle wrote:Seal of Light also seems to generate considerably more threat than SoT. I thought healing threat was reduced by 90% some time ago but i definitely noticed a considerable change to my threat when i switched mid way through a MV run.

It probably does now. If I recall correctly, healing threat is ~50% for most abilities (paging Dr. Jere?). Or 25%. Even at 25%, SoI will out-threat SoT+Censure. It seems like the Battle Healer glyph grants threat too. On Darkmaster Gandling last night, doing the achievement, I literally had to do nothing to pull the adds off of my healer. Battle Healer + SoI was doing enough threat that they just came straight to me.


Now this is the kind of stupid side-effects that is

a) totally awesome
b) nerfed to Hell and certainly never back
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Re: What seal with the 10.3.12 hotfix?

Postby KysenMurrin » Thu Oct 04, 2012 5:54 am

theckhd wrote:Battle Healer is good, but it's not that good. I did notice that I was worth about half a healer in the heroics I did last night though, which is pretty impressive. If your healer can put up some DoTs or something with those spare GCDs, it might be a net DPS gain for the group in challenge modes.

The groups running Challenge Mode golds atm are mostly using 4 dps groups, so any self healing like that is an advantage.
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Re: What seal with the 10.3.12 hotfix?

Postby jere » Thu Oct 04, 2012 6:04 am

I can't check my notes at the moment cause it is blocked from here, but I believe SoI heals were at 50% (basically all heals but a select few were 50% and those select few were 0%...though now Lights Hammer is 25%, but I think that is a bug).

I'll check my posting at Tankspot when I get home today.
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Re: What seal with the 10.3.12 hotfix?

Postby theckhd » Thu Oct 04, 2012 6:18 am

theckhd wrote:On Darkmaster Gandling last night, doing the achievement, I literally had to do nothing to pull the adds off of my healer. Battle Healer + SoI was doing enough threat that they just came straight to me.

Interesting implication of this: Using SoI+GoBH means never having to worry about adds on the healer. You will automatically generate enough threat to pull them off a healer just by attacking. Completely trivializes the "pick up new adds" mechanic.
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Re: What seal with the 10.3.12 hotfix?

Postby Fetzie » Thu Oct 04, 2012 6:41 am

jere wrote:I can't check my notes at the moment cause it is blocked from here, but I believe SoI heals were at 50% (basically all heals but a select few were 50% and those select few were 0%...though now Lights Hammer is 25%, but I think that is a bug).

I'll check my posting at Tankspot when I get home today.


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Re: What seal with the 10.3.12 hotfix?

Postby jere » Thu Oct 04, 2012 7:19 am

So then yeah, a 50% modifier (or 250% if you lump it with RF). Thanks Pyrea.
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Re: What seal with the 10.3.12 hotfix?

Postby Extermi » Thu Oct 04, 2012 7:24 am

theckhd wrote:Interesting implication of this: Using SoI+GoBH means never having to worry about adds on the healer. You will automatically generate enough threat to pull them off a healer just by attacking. Completely trivializes the "pick up new adds" mechanic.


So no more need for Warlocks one can offheal like in the SSC days ;-)

Honestly, this is really strong, and probably will see a nerf once exploited. This is like a perma warbanner pointing directly to the tank.

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Re: What seal with the 10.3.12 hotfix?

Postby Fridmarr » Thu Oct 04, 2012 7:35 am

Well if I'm understanding this all correctly, it is another indication that Insight was not meant to be the primary taking seal. They have been through this healing mechanic and the problematic threat generation before with judgement of light.
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Re: What seal with the 10.3.12 hotfix?

Postby Sagara » Thu Oct 04, 2012 7:38 am

Sounds a lot like it. Calling it now (and BOY are they going to eat flak for that):

SoI no longer generates threat for Protection Paladin.

Primary tanking seal my plot.
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Re: What seal with the 10.3.12 hotfix?

Postby angelflavor » Thu Oct 04, 2012 7:47 am

Sagara wrote:Sounds a lot like it. Calling it now (and BOY are they going to eat flak for that):

SoI no longer generates threat for Protection Paladin.

Primary tanking seal my plot.


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