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Re: CRZ goodies...

Postby Teranoid » Sun Sep 23, 2012 4:03 pm

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halabar wrote:You miss my point as to why they are doing this. The point is that they are likely doing this to manage server resources. I can't see how they would consider this effort just to populate Ungoro Crater with more people, when they routinely add more to make lower levels trivial. Either this is part of the server resource allocation, or a byproduct of it.

Yeah, it can't possibly be for the reason they claim, which was to make the world feel "alive" and populated again. That would just be silly. An overblown conspiracy theory based on a largely presumptive knowledge of their server architecture is much more likely.


Whoa bro you can't be introducing logic into this that's not allowed
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Re: CRZ goodies...

Postby masterpoobaa » Sun Sep 23, 2012 4:19 pm

Yeah especially you theck :P
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Re: CRZ goodies...

Postby Amirya » Sun Sep 23, 2012 7:42 pm

halabar wrote:Go for a ride on a 2-seater (or Sandstone drake), get dropped when going into a CRZ, pray that you have slowfall of some sort.. 8)

Unless something's changed, shouldn't it pop you a parachute anyway? I thought that was a change they did, to prevent people like from griefing people like bldavis on my rocket, way up in the sky, on a non-druid character (BYE BYE!).

I know that when my roomie and I were rocketing our way from SM to Scholo recently, he got ejected and parachuted his way down (and then got the 65 yard drop achievement).
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Re: CRZ goodies...

Postby halabar » Sun Sep 23, 2012 7:48 pm

theckhd wrote:
halabar wrote:You miss my point as to why they are doing this. The point is that they are likely doing this to manage server resources. I can't see how they would consider this effort just to populate Ungoro Crater with more people, when they routinely add more to make lower levels trivial. Either this is part of the server resource allocation, or a byproduct of it.

Yeah, it can't possibly be for the reason they claim, which was to make the world feel "alive" and populated again. That would just be silly. An overblown conspiracy theory based on a largely presumptive knowledge of their server architecture is much more likely.


If they really did it so I'd have people to wave to when mining thorium in Ungoro, then they sure have created a lot of other chaos to accomplish that. :wink:

And if that is their only motivation, it seems odd in that it runs quite opposite of their rigid stance about not giving a crap about underpopulated servers.

I find it humorous that you'd dismiss offhand the idea that they would possibly be doing this, and had the capacity to do CRZ as a result.
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Re: CRZ goodies...

Postby halabar » Sun Sep 23, 2012 7:48 pm

Amirya wrote:
halabar wrote:Go for a ride on a 2-seater (or Sandstone drake), get dropped when going into a CRZ, pray that you have slowfall of some sort.. 8)

Unless something's changed, shouldn't it pop you a parachute anyway? I thought that was a change they did, to prevent people like from griefing people like bldavis on my rocket, way up in the sky, on a non-druid character (BYE BYE!).

I know that when my roomie and I were rocketing our way from SM to Scholo recently, he got ejected and parachuted his way down (and then got the 65 yard drop achievement).


As noted above, that's only if you have something to land on eventually. 8)
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Re: CRZ goodies...

Postby bldavis » Sun Sep 23, 2012 8:31 pm

halabar wrote:
Amirya wrote:
halabar wrote:Go for a ride on a 2-seater (or Sandstone drake), get dropped when going into a CRZ, pray that you have slowfall of some sort.. 8)

Unless something's changed, shouldn't it pop you a parachute anyway? I thought that was a change they did, to prevent people like from griefing people like bldavis on my rocket, way up in the sky, on a non-druid character (BYE BYE!).

I know that when my roomie and I were rocketing our way from SM to Scholo recently, he got ejected and parachuted his way down (and then got the 65 yard drop achievement).


As noted above, that's only if you have something to land on eventually. 8)

where? :shock: :?
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Re: CRZ goodies...

Postby Darielle » Sun Sep 23, 2012 9:34 pm

bldavis wrote:where? :shock: :?


I think he's referring to the original context this was brought up in involving flying across the void from Netherstorm/Hellfire/whatever.

If they really did it so I'd have people to wave to when mining thorium in Ungoro, then they sure have created a lot of other chaos to accomplish that.

And if that is their only motivation, it seems odd in that it runs quite opposite of their rigid stance about not giving a crap about underpopulated servers.


You find it much more believable that they have a conspiracy based around lying about an entire motivation, as opposed to them doing something about something they previously didn't have a plan on doing anything with?

CRZ has some very odd issues (and other longer term drawbacks), and I'm not really fond of it, but it is an overall more interactive world with it in play when there are actually other players around, which was their goal to begin with.
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Re: CRZ goodies...

Postby KysenMurrin » Sun Sep 23, 2012 11:29 pm

masterpoobaa wrote:Another CRZ oddity.

When im in my prot gear/spec and I enter a CRZ zone i get a little animation/sound above my head, and my health drops to 85%.
Like I've just done a spec change.

It's because when you switch all of your buffs drop for a second. That seems to include hidden buffs like Plate Specialisation, possibly even your spec passives.
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Re: CRZ goodies...

Postby degre » Mon Sep 24, 2012 2:38 am

Darielle wrote:CRZ has some very odd issues (and other longer term drawbacks), and I'm not really fond of it, but it is an overall more interactive world with it in play when there are actually other players around, which was their goal to begin with.

Went to TH and could actually find a group for CoC, I was impressed.
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Re: CRZ goodies...

Postby Zalaria » Mon Sep 24, 2012 3:43 am

I did CoC on saturday and there were three groups fighting for the quest starts. My no-heals group did fine because there were so many extra folks killing them!
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Re: CRZ goodies...

Postby mavfin » Mon Sep 24, 2012 7:09 am

KysenMurrin wrote:It's just about adjusting. We've spent years having zones practically to ourselves, which wasn't intended, and now they're putting them back to the levels of activity they're meant to have. All that stuff about nodes, mobs, etc? The empty zone with everything to yourself was the broken state.


This, 1000x.

People, including many on here, have complained for years about empty zones. Blizzard fills them, and what do they get? QQ, of course. Business as usual for this playerbase.

As Kysen mentions, the empty zone that you had to yourself all the time was the broken thing.

([opinion])I think this is actually the first step down the road to 'no realms'. When they get this perfected, we'll have a PvP world, a PvE/Normal world, an RP-PvP world, and an RP-Normal/PvE world that you share with the population of your region on a zone-by-zone basis, merging/splitting zones as needed. This is just the first painful step.

I also think that AH changes of some kind are down the road, but, exactly what those may be I don't know yet. I think they'll move away from the realm-only one, and might even merge horde/alliance AH.(/opinion)
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Re: CRZ goodies...

Postby halabar » Mon Sep 24, 2012 7:47 am

Darielle wrote:You find it much more believable that they have a conspiracy based around lying about an entire motivation, as opposed to them doing something about something they previously didn't have a plan on doing anything with?


Who's the nut that's making this that I'm coming up with some dark conspiracy here?

I'm simply looking at what they are doing, and it doesn't make a lot of sense unless it's in a virtualized server environment. Why is it so hard to fathom that they made an architectural change that allows them to make a change like this?
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Re: CRZ goodies...

Postby halabar » Mon Sep 24, 2012 7:52 am

mavfin wrote:
KysenMurrin wrote:It's just about adjusting. We've spent years having zones practically to ourselves, which wasn't intended, and now they're putting them back to the levels of activity they're meant to have. All that stuff about nodes, mobs, etc? The empty zone with everything to yourself was the broken state.


This, 1000x.

People, including many on here, have complained for years about empty zones. Blizzard fills them, and what do they get? QQ, of course. Business as usual for this playerbase.


It's too be expected. You give the playerbase a "broken" environment for long enough, and they adapt to it. When if finally changes, of course people are going to be upset with some effects of the change.

So now you see more people in Ungoro than you do in Ironforge. Yep, working as intended.
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Re: CRZ goodies...

Postby KysenMurrin » Mon Sep 24, 2012 8:09 am

halabar wrote:
Darielle wrote:You find it much more believable that they have a conspiracy based around lying about an entire motivation, as opposed to them doing something about something they previously didn't have a plan on doing anything with?


Who's the nut that's making this that I'm coming up with some dark conspiracy here?

I'm simply looking at what they are doing, and it doesn't make a lot of sense unless it's in a virtualized server environment. Why is it so hard to fathom that they made an architectural change that allows them to make a change like this?

But you're making the jump from how they did it to why they did it.
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Re: CRZ goodies...

Postby bldavis » Mon Sep 24, 2012 8:12 am

halabar wrote:
mavfin wrote:
KysenMurrin wrote:It's just about adjusting. We've spent years having zones practically to ourselves, which wasn't intended, and now they're putting them back to the levels of activity they're meant to have. All that stuff about nodes, mobs, etc? The empty zone with everything to yourself was the broken state.


This, 1000x.

People, including many on here, have complained for years about empty zones. Blizzard fills them, and what do they get? QQ, of course. Business as usual for this playerbase.


It's too be expected. You give the playerbase a "broken" environment for long enough, and they adapt to it. When if finally changes, of course people are going to be upset with some effects of the change.

So now you see more people in Ungoro than you do in Ironforge. Yep, working as intended.

honestly how many ppl do you see in an cuty beyond Ogr/SW anyway?
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Re: CRZ goodies...

Postby mavfin » Mon Sep 24, 2012 8:22 am

bldavis wrote:honestly how many ppl do you see in an cuty beyond Ogr/SW anyway?


Interestingly enough, you see more in Shatt/Dalaran than in the old world cities anymore, since they're combining those cities, but not the old-world ones.
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Re: CRZ goodies...

Postby Sabindeus » Mon Sep 24, 2012 10:29 am

halabar wrote:CRZ-AH would be an utter disaster.

If they did that..

1) The AH would be ruled by those that camp the AH 24-7, and there would be little chance for profit ever.
2) Gathering would be worthless, as the botters would always have the price down at the lowest possible.
3) Finding deals on rare items would be very hard, as they would be gone instantly because of scan-bots.

You don't want to go there.


i dunno, this sounds pretty great to me
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Re: CRZ goodies...

Postby Worldie » Mon Sep 24, 2012 11:07 am

A cross realm AH doesn't have to include all the realms. I was talking specifically to low pop realm. Combining 4-5 low pop realm so their AH matches the one of a Full realm would only do good to them.
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Re: CRZ goodies...

Postby halabar » Mon Sep 24, 2012 11:39 am

Sabindeus wrote:
halabar wrote:CRZ-AH would be an utter disaster.

If they did that..

1) The AH would be ruled by those that camp the AH 24-7, and there would be little chance for profit ever.
2) Gathering would be worthless, as the botters would always have the price down at the lowest possible.
3) Finding deals on rare items would be very hard, as they would be gone instantly because of scan-bots.

You don't want to go there.


i dunno, this sounds pretty great to me


You really want to surrender the AH to the 24/7 botters?
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Re: CRZ goodies...

Postby Sabindeus » Mon Sep 24, 2012 11:55 am

halabar wrote:
Sabindeus wrote:
halabar wrote:CRZ-AH would be an utter disaster.

If they did that..

1) The AH would be ruled by those that camp the AH 24-7, and there would be little chance for profit ever.
2) Gathering would be worthless, as the botters would always have the price down at the lowest possible.
3) Finding deals on rare items would be very hard, as they would be gone instantly because of scan-bots.

You don't want to go there.


i dunno, this sounds pretty great to me


You really want to surrender the AH to the 24/7 botters?


Two responses, one flippant the other serious:

1. Dude I want to BE one of the botters

2. Here's what I use the AH for:
- Raw mats to level my blacksmithing
- Item enhancements (gems, scrolls, leg kits, etc.)
So a price race to the bottom is exactly what I want to see on the AH.
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Re: CRZ goodies...

Postby halabar » Mon Sep 24, 2012 12:23 pm

Sabindeus wrote:Two responses, one flippant the other serious:

1. Dude I want to BE one of the botters

2. Here's what I use the AH for:
- Raw mats to level my blacksmithing
- Item enhancements (gems, scrolls, leg kits, etc.)
So a price race to the bottom is exactly what I want to see on the AH.


So for #2, you really don't care where it comes from, as long as it's cheap, or that your fellow guildies can't make any money except by doing dailies?

For #1, do a search for certain German websites. You'll find it eventually. :wink:
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Re: CRZ goodies...

Postby bldavis » Mon Sep 24, 2012 12:34 pm

halabar wrote:
Sabindeus wrote:Two responses, one flippant the other serious:

1. Dude I want to BE one of the botters

2. Here's what I use the AH for:
- Raw mats to level my blacksmithing
- Item enhancements (gems, scrolls, leg kits, etc.)
So a price race to the bottom is exactly what I want to see on the AH.


So for #2, you really don't care where it comes from, as long as it's cheap, or that your fellow guildies can't make any money except by doing dailies?

For #1, do a search for certain German websites. You'll find it eventually. :wink:

that is why i gather most of my own mats, and have an army of crafters
if a guildie is an AH baron ON A DEAD SERVER, they arent making that much money anyway

htough as a scribe on Terenas, i wouldnt mind seeing the glyph market drop a little
250g+ for each and every fucking glyph is ridiculous.
and if you try to get into the market, you are INSTANTLY undercut
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Re: CRZ goodies...

Postby halabar » Mon Sep 24, 2012 1:08 pm

bldavis wrote:htough as a scribe on Terenas, i wouldnt mind seeing the glyph market drop a little
250g+ for each and every fucking glyph is ridiculous.
and if you try to get into the market, you are INSTANTLY undercut


Those be bots (or day-campers, or both).
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Re: CRZ goodies...

Postby Sabindeus » Mon Sep 24, 2012 1:17 pm

halabar wrote:
Sabindeus wrote:Two responses, one flippant the other serious:

1. Dude I want to BE one of the botters

2. Here's what I use the AH for:
- Raw mats to level my blacksmithing
- Item enhancements (gems, scrolls, leg kits, etc.)
So a price race to the bottom is exactly what I want to see on the AH.


So for #2, you really don't care where it comes from, as long as it's cheap, or that your fellow guildies can't make any money except by doing dailies?

For #1, do a search for certain German websites. You'll find it eventually. :wink:



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Re: CRZ goodies...

Postby halabar » Mon Sep 24, 2012 1:57 pm

Sabindeus wrote:Wtf is a guildie? They all stopped playing WoW in March 2011.


You know all those group of players that Worldie breaks up?.. them.
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