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Going for Realm Firsts

Postby KysenMurrin » Thu Sep 20, 2012 2:55 pm

This time around I've decided to try and push to get a Realm First, at least Realm First level 90 Shaman. Thought I'd start this thread to talk about the realm first push and collect/share thoughts and tips for anyone else who's trying it.

In Cataclysm, it took me 17 hours to level 80-85, but that was on a tank, I spent way too much time in Uldum, and went very slow on the last level. I lost Realm First Paladin by somewhere around 3-4 hours, but hadn't expected to get it. I intend to go much faster in MoP, on my dps toon with Heroic DS gear. What do you think the average is likely to be?

One question I'm not decided on: When you ding level 86 in Jade Forest, do you keep questing to the end of the zone, or do you take the time to run from Dawn's Blossom* to Valley of the Four Winds to try to get ahead of the crowd?

*Nectarbreeze Orchard is probably closer, but I don't think it's worth travelling there at all, because it's further away from the other quest hubs and you don't get the FP or a taxi automatically.


Seeing as every little bit is likely to help, some small mostly time-saving tips from my time trying out the questing path on Beta:

- When a chain asks you to run off to another part of the map for the next quest hub, watch your map along the route. There are quest hubs that do not have breadcrumb quests, but are marked with ! (or just a FP icon) on the world map, and you can hit them along your route to the next stop in the main chain. I've spotted these situations in Krasarang Wilds and Kun Lai Summit.

- [Spoilers] When you finish Vot4W and Krasarang, you go into a big battle at the wall in the Valley. The second-to-last quest involves helping the four students defeat some Elites, but on Beta when the quest begins you often find the student NPCs are all lying dead at their spawn point. This is because there's a spawn point for one of the regular Elite Mantid right on top of them. They will respawn only when you kill the elite - which is tough, but doable.

- [continued spoilers] The very last quest is to ride on a lizard then kill the giant bug - this is a vehicle quest, it's slow and the fight is intercut with cutscenes of the big bug staggering from the damage. Because it akes so long and there's no mob kill xp, it is probably worthwhile just skipping this last quest and moving to the next zone, which you should already have the quest for.

- In Kun Lai Summit (to the west), there's a quest chain involving Kafa beans and yetis on a mountain. At the end of this, you bring a giant Yeti down the mountain, and the next quest is a vehicle quest using the yeti to kill Hozen (which turns into a daily). Another skippable one for length & vehicle.

- After fighting with the Shado-Pan at the gate between Kun Lai and Townlong, you get a quest to ride a balloon up to the Monastery. Skip this and head to your next hub: after the ride is a quest with just a single mob kill, then you're left outside the dungeon entrance and have to go back down the mountain on foot.
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Re: Going for Realm Firsts

Postby Newsom » Thu Sep 20, 2012 4:25 pm

I'm conflicted. I have the time and resources to compete for at least Paladin realm first, but I'm not sure if I want to stress or take it slow and do Loremaster on the way instead.
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Re: Going for Realm Firsts

Postby PsiVen » Thu Sep 20, 2012 5:16 pm

I don't have experience with MoP questlines specifically, but I have heard that if you jump to the next zone ASAP you will run out of quests in the last zone. I will probably finish the area unless I hit a particularly inefficient looking quest chain, and do each dungeon once for those quests.
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Re: Going for Realm Firsts

Postby stevos » Thu Sep 20, 2012 10:52 pm

I am always slow at levelling, I am just not very efficient at it.

Interested to learn the tricks involved.
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Re: Going for Realm Firsts

Postby KysenMurrin » Thu Sep 20, 2012 11:01 pm

PsiVen wrote:I don't have experience with MoP questlines specifically, but I have heard that if you jump to the next zone ASAP you will run out of quests in the last zone. I will probably finish the area unless I hit a particularly inefficient looking quest chain, and do each dungeon once for those quests.

I wouldn't do it for every zone. But the end of Jade Forest has a lot of taxi travel, and it'll be crowded as hell.


Remembered something else to skip: In the Monastery in Jade Forest, one of the trainers will have you down doing exercises with the line of students. It gives you a vehicle bar, and it's really bad at recognising when you've done it right so takes a while. After that is a bad quest killing two high health punchbags, which only gives kill credit if you're hitting the right one when it dies and if you're standing right on top of it. I'd avoid those two entirely if you're trying for fast xp. Might mean skipping the final reward for the hub, but you won't need the gear anyway.
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Re: Going for Realm Firsts

Postby Fenrìr » Fri Sep 21, 2012 1:44 am

I'm personally going to skip out of Jade Forest once I hit 86; just to get a slight lead on the crowd.
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Re: Going for Realm Firsts

Postby degre » Fri Sep 21, 2012 4:01 am

I believe you can skip Jade Forest all together at 85, unless it was for Beta testing purpose only, but I could give it a try later if I can still copy a character.

When I copied my toon the Jade Forest area was broken and couldn't be accessed, I remember being ported in the Valley of the Four winds at the village nearest to Jade Forest, where quests were already available at 85. After you have completed the initial quest chain might be worth spending 10 minutes walking around on your mount to get to get to a virgin area where pretty much nobody will be questing, if you want to do Jade Forest for Loremaster you can still go back at a later time when you won't find everyone and their mothers.

And I would still suggest moving on as soon as you reach the level for the next area, there won't be much crafting gear available the first few days, hence would be wise to move up to areas where the quest rewards are better, and no, you won't run out of quests, there's a truckload.


The village I was mentioning where you start in the Valley.
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Re: Going for Realm Firsts

Postby Bellanka » Fri Sep 21, 2012 6:32 am

How does the questing experience fare against getting a full group of guildmates and spamming dungeons?
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Re: Going for Realm Firsts

Postby Bellanka » Fri Sep 21, 2012 6:35 am

degre wrote:I believe you can skip Jade Forest all together at 85, unless it was for Beta testing purpose only, but I could give it a try later if I can still copy a character.


Pretty sure they dinged you 86 when you entered Vot4W.
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Re: Going for Realm Firsts

Postby daishan » Fri Sep 21, 2012 6:37 am

There was a quest in SW that pushed you to level 86.
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Re: Going for Realm Firsts

Postby Worldie » Fri Sep 21, 2012 6:59 am

Exp in dungeons is terrible. Don't do that. The exp per dungeon is extremely low (I believe less than 10% of lvl 85 per run)
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Re: Going for Realm Firsts

Postby degre » Fri Sep 21, 2012 7:09 am

Bellanka wrote:
degre wrote:I believe you can skip Jade Forest all together at 85, unless it was for Beta testing purpose only, but I could give it a try later if I can still copy a character.


Pretty sure they dinged you 86 when you entered Vot4W.

Could be, I honestly don't remember, but in such case just ignore my above post and I'll save myself to reinstall the beta to verify :mrgreen:
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Re: Going for Realm Firsts

Postby Nooska » Fri Sep 21, 2012 8:33 am

There was indeed a beta quest in SW/Org that popped you to 0% xp level 86, so you actually could skip JF. It was only available while JF was being restructured.
With the reports of running out of quests befor ehitting 90 if you skip a little too much, I'll addin that I used teh quest to hit V4W at 86 precisely, and I hit 90 a little ways in to Dread Wastes - I did get to 87.6 before they upped teh exp requirements, but I was 90 before they lowered them a bit again - I think the ones running out of quests are due to xp% being kept when they converted the xprequired, so when they reduced it a bit again, the ones that were not at 0% lost a lot of xp from previously done quests on the level they were.
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Re: Going for Realm Firsts

Postby KysenMurrin » Fri Sep 21, 2012 8:45 am

Ideal places to set hearth as you progress, anyone?

I've decided Dawn's Blossom in JF (you get a quest to introduce yourself to the innkeeper anyway), and Binan Village (the first place you arrive) in Ku-Lai, because the seperate quest chains take you from near there to opposite ends of the zone.
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Re: Going for Realm Firsts

Postby Kihra » Fri Sep 21, 2012 3:06 pm

Worldie wrote:Exp in dungeons is terrible. Don't do that. The exp per dungeon is extremely low (I believe less than 10% of lvl 85 per run)


Dungeon grinding is actually competitive with JF questing for 85-86 if you have a guild group of 5 H DS-geared folks who know what they are doing. It only falls behind after 86. This is mostly due to the questing in JF being absolutely horrible XP/min though compared with later zones.
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Re: Going for Realm Firsts

Postby Worldie » Fri Sep 21, 2012 4:19 pm

Exping in dungeons is competitive to JF anyway simply due to the amount of people that there'll be questing there :>
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Re: Going for Realm Firsts

Postby degre » Fri Sep 21, 2012 4:45 pm

Most quests in the starting area are kill tasks anyway, so in theory would be quicker to quest in a 5 men group, stuff would explode and you'd go through quite fast.
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Re: Going for Realm Firsts

Postby Hexzon » Sat Sep 22, 2012 3:36 am

Getting out of the fck fest that jade forest is going to be will be key, from my exp on beta questing in jade forest will still be faster if you get ahead of the crowd, if you cant tag mobs then get a dungeon grp going fast, Im grping in 4 for the first 20-40 quests basically till ahead of crowd so no mob tagging issues thsn once jade forest hubs split a bit will be in a grp of 2.

There is no longer issues of running out of xp, they have tweaked it,so as soon as you hit 86 move on, same goes with 87, from then on you pretty much do every quest bar a few that are slow and you can skip. Fron the summit xp speeds up big time, i leveled several times and every time each level after 87 was faster then going 85 to 86 and 86 to 87. Honestly 85-86 is prob the worst ,jade forest is spread out, quests arnt the best not to meantion the xp amounts they give.

From my xp if you hit 86 first, you prob going to hit 90 first because once you out of jade forest the speed picks up and even massivly more once you hit 87, (87-88) is the fastest level by far
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Re: Going for Realm Firsts

Postby stevos » Sat Sep 22, 2012 4:10 am

I am guessing its beneficial to stock up on flasks/food/speed boosting potions/invisiblity potions etc, to get a few edges here and there.
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Re: Going for Realm Firsts

Postby KysenMurrin » Sat Sep 22, 2012 4:28 am

Hmm, good thought. I already have a stack of invis pots on my Paladin from soloing Stonecore (I skip the room with giants and flayers).
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Re: Going for Realm Firsts

Postby econ21 » Sat Sep 22, 2012 4:30 am

There's mention of concurrent L86-87 zones - Valley of the Four Winds and Krasarang Wilds. How does that work? Do you really only do one? If so, is there one like Hyjal vs Vashj'ir that is just faster or is it just an aesthetic choice like Borean Tundra (my eyes! my eyes!) vs Howling Fjorde?
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Re: Going for Realm Firsts

Postby KysenMurrin » Sat Sep 22, 2012 4:39 am

You can do the zones in either order, and you have to do both to get the big finale for the story, or you can skip to Kun Lai at 87. I think I hit 87 in Vot4W before I touched Krasarang, but I'd levelled in Jade Forest before the XP change. Vot4W has maybe a little too much "follow the NPC to the next hub", but I don't think there's a large difference in xp between them.

I'm not sure if everyone gets dropped in Vot4W first or if Horde get dropped in Krasarang Wilds after Jade Forest; if the former, then Krasarang will be less crowded, if the latter, they'll be about the same.
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Re: Going for Realm Firsts

Postby KysenMurrin » Sat Sep 22, 2012 10:27 am

Do you think the "25 dailies" route is necessary to stay competitive? Which dailies would you go for, assuming you want to minimise travelling around?
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Re: Going for Realm Firsts

Postby Hexzon » Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:18 pm

Hell yes 25 dailies, you get 21 at tol barad , got mine stacked already as there is rng in getting em, fast hand in and bang, quick fly by hand in finshing ,jc and cooking daily giving me 24 thats 1.5m xp so yeah it matters
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Re: Going for Realm Firsts

Postby PsiVen » Sat Sep 22, 2012 1:02 pm

Didn't they change it at the Cataclysm launch so that dailies you completed at level cap would still reward gold when you turned them in instead of XP?

In any case, I don't think it's a good idea to waste ANY amount of time not getting ahead of the questing wave. If you are 5 minutes faster at the first hub it could make up 20 minutes of struggling in the pack later. I wouldn't even touch a dungeon until the end of the first zone where everyone splits up into two, unless you intend to grind to 86 entirely in dungeons and start questing after that.
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