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Re: Theramore's Fall

Postby Teranoid » Wed Sep 19, 2012 2:00 pm

Lieris wrote:
KysenMurrin wrote:
Lieris wrote:I canceled my MOP collector's edition preorder yesterday. I am no longer giving Blizzard the benefit of the doubt because they no longer deserve it after the annual pass debacle;

What was the debacle?


A one year contract taken in good faith by over a million people with the understanding that Blizzard will provide raid patches and expansions much more regularly. Instead all we had was Dragon Soul, a mediocre 8 boss raid with no new environments and 6 recycled boss models like Deathwing's final chapter was merely an afterthought, for 10 months. They abandoned Cataclysm and still couldn't get MOP out any sooner.


That's funny. I signed up for it because I wanted the mount, wanted to get D3 anyway and like beta testing games not to mention I'd be subscribing anyway.

Hardly what I call a debacle when I got exactly what I signed up for.

Edit: It was plain as day why the AP was even introduced and if you signed up not realizing that it was to keep subs in a lull in content then you really have no one to blame but yourself.
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Re: Theramore's Fall

Postby Sagara » Wed Sep 19, 2012 2:17 pm

Just read the WoW Insider article on scenarios for today, apparently they consider Theramore the weakest of release scenarios.

We'll see soon enough...
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Re: Theramore's Fall

Postby Darielle » Wed Sep 19, 2012 2:18 pm

They touched on this in the Best Buy Q&A. Basically they didn't want to put too much story in the actual scenario because they just wanted to let players get to the action part, which, to me, is somewhat understandable given the violent reactions players have had to any form of "sit through dialog" part of instanced content. It sounds like for any future event based scenarios they'll do similar to what they did with the Troll heroics and have a quest chain surrounding it.


It's the lack of the quest chain that's really bad with this one. Even somethign as small as "Go talk to Varian, Varian has a dilagoue, sends you to the harbor, you can queue for Scenario" would have improved the affair.

Instead, for those other people who didn't read books, they have no context for the entire thing beyond "Queue to aoe 10 mins for a chance at 384 loot".

End of Time has more story just because it gives you a context as to why you're there when you go there.
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Re: Theramore's Fall

Postby degre » Thu Sep 20, 2012 4:27 am

halabar wrote:But the current land on the dock, fight 15 waves of horde, get a treasure bag, is lame. Seems very last-minute.

My suspicion is that they had something larger planned, and it just didn't work.

I don't know if you tried the beta, but all other scenario I have tried are pretty much exactly the same.

You can queue for multiple content, maybe as a DPS you are facing long queues, with Scenarios they give you something quick to do
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Re: Theramore's Fall

Postby Nikachelle » Thu Sep 20, 2012 6:15 am

I'm just surprised there's a guild reward (gold I guess?) for completing 15 scenarios per week. No WAY are people going to be that interested in those.
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Re: Theramore's Fall

Postby Andurin » Thu Sep 20, 2012 6:55 am

Nikachelle wrote:I'm just surprised there's a guild reward (gold I guess?) for completing 15 scenarios per week. No WAY are people going to be that interested in those.


I`m sure I can get my girlfriend and 1 other guildy to join and rush trough those scenario's a couple of times if we get a % of the profit the guild earns :p Thats how we got our first few raid challenges aswell :p 125g for me and my gf to make the guild kill Halfus with our leadership :p Easy money, epics in the process, and now people are good enough that they can do it themselves. :p
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Re: Theramore's Fall

Postby KysenMurrin » Thu Sep 20, 2012 7:12 am

Nikachelle wrote:I'm just surprised there's a guild reward (gold I guess?) for completing 15 scenarios per week. No WAY are people going to be that interested in those.

They're fast, easy, take no travel, have no lockout, and they reward Valor points.
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Re: Theramore's Fall

Postby halabar » Thu Sep 20, 2012 7:53 am

degre wrote:
halabar wrote:But the current land on the dock, fight 15 waves of horde, get a treasure bag, is lame. Seems very last-minute.

My suspicion is that they had something larger planned, and it just didn't work.

I don't know if you tried the beta, but all other scenario I have tried are pretty much exactly the same.

You can queue for multiple content, maybe as a DPS you are facing long queues, with Scenarios they give you something quick to do


Never bothered getting to 90 in beta, was more interested in rotation testing, hunting for rares, and checking out the professions, and profit opportunities.
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Re: Theramore's Fall

Postby halabar » Thu Sep 20, 2012 7:54 am

KysenMurrin wrote:
Nikachelle wrote:I'm just surprised there's a guild reward (gold I guess?) for completing 15 scenarios per week. No WAY are people going to be that interested in those.

They're fast, easy, take no travel, have no lockout, and they reward Valor points.


and we have the real motivation... ;-)
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Re: Theramore's Fall

Postby Nikachelle » Thu Sep 20, 2012 8:37 am

KysenMurrin wrote:
Nikachelle wrote:I'm just surprised there's a guild reward (gold I guess?) for completing 15 scenarios per week. No WAY are people going to be that interested in those.

They're fast, easy, take no travel, have no lockout, and they reward Valor points.

That's ridiculous.
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Re: Theramore's Fall

Postby Levantine » Thu Sep 20, 2012 8:48 am

Eyup, but I can guarantee it'll be easier to find two other guildmates online that I don't hate than it is to find 4, so I'm not particularly fussed.

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I mean whut?
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Re: Theramore's Fall

Postby Sabindeus » Thu Sep 20, 2012 10:42 am

KysenMurrin wrote:
Nikachelle wrote:I'm just surprised there's a guild reward (gold I guess?) for completing 15 scenarios per week. No WAY are people going to be that interested in those.

They're fast, easy, take no travel, have no lockout, and they reward Valor points.


All of them, or just the first X per week?
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Re: Theramore's Fall

Postby masterpoobaa » Thu Sep 20, 2012 7:58 pm

KysenMurrin wrote:They're fast, easy, take no travel, have no lockout, and they reward Valor points.


And there we have it.
"Heroics" designed for people incapable of even completing a heroic.
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Re: Theramore's Fall

Postby bldavis » Thu Sep 20, 2012 8:16 pm

masterpoobaa wrote:
KysenMurrin wrote:They're fast, easy, take no travel, have no lockout, and they reward Valor points.


And there we have it.
"Heroics" designed for people incapable of even completing a heroic.

but...i thought that is what LFR was for! :shock: :?
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Re: Theramore's Fall

Postby KysenMurrin » Thu Sep 20, 2012 10:58 pm

The point is Heroics reward high level gear, while Scenarios only have a chance at one blue item.
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Re: Theramore's Fall

Postby Skye1013 » Thu Sep 20, 2012 11:07 pm

No, LFR is for people that can't complete a raid... obviously a step was needed between questing and dungeoning.

Difficulty chain goes something like this (please note, I only include people that actually make it into the game):
Level 1 (congratulations, you figured out how to create a character!)
Managed to find major city (possibly level 2+)
Exploring
Talk to this guy next to me quests
Talk to this guy over there quests
Killing mobs
AFKing BGs (it's only higher than killing mobs because you have to be at least lvl 10 to enter)
Killing mobs (without dying)
Collect X of this item that loads on the ground with sparklies to identify its location quests
Herbing/Mining (if you've managed to figure out how to obtain them and have the 10 silver or whatever it is now to pay for training)
Kill X mobs quests
Kill mobs and loot X items quests
Group quests (though these are largely {if not completely} removed from the game)
Dungeons you've passed in level
Equiv level dungeons
Bare minimum required level dungeons
Cap level dungeons
Scenarios
Heroic dungeons
LFR
Challenge Modes (?)
Normal Raids
Heroic Raids

Somewhere in there would be actual PvP, but that would vary in difficulty based on the opposing team and objectives. Also, this is wholly based on my observations, some items may vary slightly.
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Re: Theramore's Fall

Postby bldavis » Thu Sep 20, 2012 11:25 pm

i must need to adjust my sarcasm meter, or a whole lot of ppl are taking to trolling me :?
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Re: Theramore's Fall

Postby Skye1013 » Thu Sep 20, 2012 11:42 pm

bldavis wrote:i must need to adjust my sarcasm meter, or a whole lot of ppl are taking to trolling me :?

If you aren't expecting sarcastic responses to sarcasm, then I'd say the former.
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Re: Theramore's Fall

Postby Flex » Fri Sep 21, 2012 11:47 am

KysenMurrin wrote:The point is Heroics reward high level gear, while Scenarios only have a chance at one blue item.


More generally if something rewards Valor Points it is part of the End Game and that the end game in MoP has expanded beyond just raiding.

End Game in MoP consists of:
The reputation quests at 90: There's a subset of people that love questing. So this is an attempt at that.
Scenarios: Short small group content is another thing people have been asking for.
Heroics
LFR
Challenge Modes: Difficult for difficulty's sake. No gold, no loot, no lockout. Higher VP per completion.
Normal mode raiding
Heroic mode raiding

I believe I have those in order of reward size as well.
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Re: Theramore's Fall

Postby bldavis » Fri Sep 21, 2012 12:00 pm

Skye1013 wrote:
bldavis wrote:i must need to adjust my sarcasm meter, or a whole lot of ppl are taking to trolling me :?

If you aren't expecting sarcastic responses to sarcasm, then I'd say the former.

your response went beyond mere sarcasm :twisted:
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Re: Theramore's Fall

Postby Paxen » Fri Sep 21, 2012 12:18 pm

Are you sure that Challenge modes will be easier than normal raids?
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Re: Theramore's Fall

Postby Flex » Fri Sep 21, 2012 12:22 pm

Paxen wrote:Are you sure that Challenge modes will be easier than normal raids?


Depends. Being "srs bzness" and going for Gold time and top of the leader board will probably be more difficult or at least as difficult. Just doing them instead of heroic mode probably not.
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Re: Theramore's Fall

Postby KysenMurrin » Fri Sep 21, 2012 12:40 pm

Well Blizz have referred to them as some of the hardest content they've ever made, and said one of the fights in the Brewery is possibly THE hardest fight tey've ever made. But then the leaderboard when they tested the place had people running it in 15 minutes, so /shrug.
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Re: Theramore's Fall

Postby Flex » Fri Sep 21, 2012 12:41 pm

KysenMurrin wrote:Well Blizz have referred to them as some of the hardest content they've ever made, and said one of the fights in the Brewery is possibly THE hardest fight tey've ever made. But then the leaderboard when they tested the place had people running it in 15 minutes, so /shrug.


Well the top 6 times on the test went from sub 15 minutes to a bit over 30 minutes.
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Re: Theramore's Fall

Postby Worldie » Fri Sep 21, 2012 4:29 pm

Paxen wrote:Are you sure that Challenge modes will be easier than normal raids?

Completing a challenge mode won't really be that difficult.

Getting Gold in a Challenge mode will be possibly harder than heroic raids.
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