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Re: Libya: US Consulate destroyed, Ambassador slain

Postby Brekkie » Fri Sep 14, 2012 8:37 am

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Re: Libya: US Consulate destroyed, Ambassador slain

Postby sahiel » Fri Sep 14, 2012 9:11 am

Very good to read such a factual write up, I have some former State Dept. colleagues stationed in the area and thankfully they're all okay, but even they have a hard time getting exact facts as to what happened. I must add, that of all the US military I've known in my time at State those on Embassy Security were the ones I personally felt safest with in difficult situations, knowing that somewhere Marines and the rest of the military are fighting isn't quite as immediate as having the RSO and marines brief you personally where to hide if there's a rocket attack on your Embassy and mention that they'll be fighting off any attackers whilst you're safe.

Not sure if it means quite as much from a non US citizen but I for one have and always will be eternally grateful to the Marines for the times they protected me and for those they'll protect in the future.
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Re: Libya: US Consulate destroyed, Ambassador slain

Postby Arnock » Fri Sep 14, 2012 4:26 pm

Were the Libyan guards at the consulate local militia/police or private contracted security? Or a combination of both?
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Re: Libya: US Consulate destroyed, Ambassador slain

Postby Brekkie » Fri Sep 14, 2012 5:20 pm

Arnock wrote:Were the Libyan guards at the consulate local militia/police or private contracted security? Or a combination of both?


To be quite honest I'm not entirely sure how best to describe them. I think the closest allegory is the Auxiliaries in the legions of ancient Rome. They are locals, but are directly employed, trained, equipped, and managed by the Americans. If they serve the United States loyally for 20 years, they earn an immigration visa to the US for themselves and their immediately family.

They aren't police, or any form of local institution. They are employees of the Embassy/Consulate. They just happen to be locals. This has a few administrative advantages for us:
-we can pay them less.
-if they shoot someone, it is easier to brush under the rug, whereas if an American shot someone it would be a guaranteed international incident.
-they are more expendable. (brutal, but true)
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Re: Libya: US Consulate destroyed, Ambassador slain

Postby Dantriges » Sat Sep 15, 2012 12:20 am

I wonder if them being more familiar with the local culture and being native speakers of the local language could be a factor, too? Could help prevent miscommunications and I could imagine that the State Department considers stuff like that, too, at diplomatic US installations. No idea how much the guard personnel interacts with the locals but I could imagine that they are approached with a question or so, too, during normal operations. Like asking for directions or so.

But I have no idea what the day to day at a consulate orembassy is like.
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Re: Libya: US Consulate destroyed, Ambassador slain

Postby degre » Mon Sep 17, 2012 7:35 am

Apparently, there is not even a Consulate in Bengazi
http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/benghazi.html
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Re: Libya: US Consulate destroyed, Ambassador slain

Postby Fridmarr » Mon Sep 17, 2012 7:43 am

I'm too distracted by that hilarious picture (assuming no serious injury) to read any of that.
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Re: Libya: US Consulate destroyed, Ambassador slain

Postby Shoju » Mon Sep 17, 2012 8:39 am

degre wrote:Apparently, there is not even a Consulate in Bengazi
http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/benghazi.html


Oh dear god. One of "those guys". I used to work with someone like that. I stopped listening when he told me that he could always tell if the FBI, or the CIA had stopped in at work to make sure he was still being "a good citizen" They would leave a penny on his desk. Face up was one, Face up was the other.

That dumb son of @#()%&* got visits from that point on every day, sometimes multiple times a day. The bank across the street was a great source of pennies.

He blamed it on his newest piece of digital vomit, some piece about how the new Noise barriers along I-71 in Columbus were actually the walls to use Columbus as a Prison camp, quartered off into sections when Clinton enacted the Police State, and put all the sheep in their pens.

He's a loon.
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Re: Libya: US Consulate destroyed, Ambassador slain

Postby Brekkie » Mon Sep 17, 2012 10:26 am

degre wrote:Apparently, there is not even a Consulate in Bengazi
http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/benghazi.html


Here is the link to the Department of State web site, with a complete list of All U.S. embassies, consulates, and diplomatic missions world wide. http://www.usembassy.gov/ There is one in Libya, obviously in Tripoli. And I will state right now that I have that Embassy page saved and captured, in case someone decides to bury this by faking Benghazi in for a while.

To further bolster this fact, Here is Google Maps of Benghazi Libya. Delete Benghazi Libya from the search window, and type the word EMBASSY or CONSULATE there. Because one does not exist in Benghazi, it will throw you to an alternative location near you. Here is the Wikipedia list, no doubt soon to be faked, it will happen fast here Wont last long and if any fakes get thrown in, well, there are TONS of lists out there, and I will just snag another. They can't bury this lie.


It must be a conspiracy; it's not on Google Maps OR Wikipedia!

p.s. "Deep Water Horizon Destroyed by Space-Based Laser", and "Mossad Fakes Tsunami to Disguise Fukushima Nuclear Attack"...
Is this guy for real?

I like how he claims to be a former NSA Agent.
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Re: Libya: US Consulate destroyed, Ambassador slain

Postby Shoju » Mon Sep 17, 2012 11:09 am

Brekkie wrote:
degre wrote:Apparently, there is not even a Consulate in Bengazi
http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/benghazi.html


Here is the link to the Department of State web site, with a complete list of All U.S. embassies, consulates, and diplomatic missions world wide. http://www.usembassy.gov/ There is one in Libya, obviously in Tripoli. And I will state right now that I have that Embassy page saved and captured, in case someone decides to bury this by faking Benghazi in for a while.

To further bolster this fact, Here is Google Maps of Benghazi Libya. Delete Benghazi Libya from the search window, and type the word EMBASSY or CONSULATE there. Because one does not exist in Benghazi, it will throw you to an alternative location near you. Here is the Wikipedia list, no doubt soon to be faked, it will happen fast here Wont last long and if any fakes get thrown in, well, there are TONS of lists out there, and I will just snag another. They can't bury this lie.


It must be a conspiracy; it's not on Google Maps OR Wikipedia!

p.s. "Deep Water Horizon Destroyed by Space-Based Laser", and "Mossad Fakes Tsunami to Disguise Fukushima Nuclear Attack"...
Is this guy for real?

I like how he claims to be a former NSA Agent.



Yup. He's nuts. here you go. Another crazy file for you.


crazy guy I used to work with wrote:PRECAUTIONARY YELLOW ALERT:
MASSIVE MILITARY CONVOY SIGHTED

IN CHARLESTON, WV

by [name redacted to keep his crazy self from finding me posting about him. He's crazy enough to do something like that.]
7-23-11

Aproximately 6:00 pm, EST, this evening I received an email from a highly reliable intelligence source stating that an extremely large military vehicle convoy was turning off from US Route 79 onto US Route 64, headed west through Charleston, West Virginia. It was related that the individual witnessed 40 to 50 armored vehicles and he never saw the end of the convoy. He estimated the convoy to be about 5 miles long. All the soldiers appeared to be wearing full battle gear. He related that 50 caliber guns were clearly visible. The source believed the activity was related to something more than just a routine troop and equipment movement. He was so concerned about the unusual nature of the convoy that he immediately reported the sighting.

Due to the increasing number of military vehicle movement sightings across the country and even here locally over the past several weeks, there seems to be some kind of nationwide military exercise underway at this time. I received a report today that 2 Hum-Vs and 2 large amphibious-type-looking vehicles, which had the words "US Army Fire Department" curiously displayed on their sides, were sighted at a gas station at SR 30 and SR 13 this morning. The past 2 weeks I have received local reports of large military trucks being sighted with soldiers in full battle gear inside the cabs. One day last week military rifle cases were seen being loaded onto military trucks at the Mansfield Lahm Airport. Evidently, something akin to a NLE, National Level Exercise, possibly, may be in the process of being conducted.

As Europe is free-falling into economic chaos with the euro tilting on the edge of complete collapse, Oslo, Norway having been bombed today with over 80 shot dead by a gunman with a machine gun immediately after the explosion from inside and underneath a government building, the Illuminati may be moving to incite panic in the European public in order for them to run to the "government" to "save them" while simultaneously diverting their attention from the imploding economy. Interestingly, Lindsey Williams had said that his Illuminati sources informed him that once the "euro goes", the American dollar would not be far behind, perhaps only a matter of a couple weeks. If the euro is right now in the process of crumbling, the dollar would follow close on its heels by only 2 weeks or so, according to Williams' sources.

However, here's another interesting scenario. Bernake has been threatening another "end of the world" happening if the national debt ceiling isn't raised by August 2nd. These are the same kinds of threats we heard back in 2008 if the banks weren't bailed out of their crisis. In fact, if you recall, there were out-in-the-open threats to congressional members of "MARTIAL LAW" occuring if the bailouts weren't given. Today is July 23, only a little over a week away from August 2nd. It may be that the military is being put on national emergency alert just in case the national debt ceiling is not raised. It is possible that the large military vehicle and troop movements that are being reported all over the country have to do with possibly setting-up regional "MARTIAL LAW" if both houses of congress fail to vote for the raising of the national debt limit. The last I saw today, the talks again were stalled. After all, if the debt ceiling isn't raised, the fed won't be able to inject its massively inflationary QE2 into the expiring economy. All of a sudden the picture seems to be getting, potentially, rather dark. (No wonder military personnel have been reportedly telling their relatives and friends for over a year to stock-up on plenty of food, water and survival supplies.) Things might be about to get rather nasty. Secure all hatches.

The below link is to an interesting video with even more interesting comments attached. Please send in reports of any sightings of large military movements you might witness. Thanks for your help in this time of crisis.


And here is another crazy that I was introduced to by the guy i used to work with

weatherwars.info

the front page of the site wrote:Others [terrorists] are engaging even in an eco-type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves... So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations...It's real, and that's the reason why we have to intensify our [counterterrorism] efforts." Secretary of Defense William Cohen at an April 1997 counterterrorism conference sponsored by former Georgia Senator Sam Nunn.
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Re: Libya: US Consulate destroyed, Ambassador slain

Postby Brekkie » Mon Sep 17, 2012 12:12 pm

Not to make this political, but why is it that I never see crackpots like that with a liberal ideology?

You never see "WE NEED UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE NOW BECAUSE THE ILLUMINATI WANT TO KILL US ALL WITH INFECTIOUS DISEASES!"
or...
"WE HAVE TO LEGALIZE ALL THE IMMIGRANTS IMMEDIATELY SO THAT THEY CAN JOIN OUR MILITIA TO DEFEND AGAINST THE IMMINENT INVASION OF CANADA!"

What's up with that?
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Re: Libya: US Consulate destroyed, Ambassador slain

Postby KysenMurrin » Mon Sep 17, 2012 12:22 pm

Paranoia and fear of others make it hard to have socialist leanings, I guess.
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Re: Libya: US Consulate destroyed, Ambassador slain

Postby Blackharon » Mon Sep 17, 2012 12:41 pm

Brekkie wrote:"WE HAVE TO LEGALIZE ALL THE IMMIGRANTS IMMEDIATELY SO THAT THEY CAN JOIN OUR MILITIA TO DEFEND AGAINST THE IMMINENT INVASION OF CANADA!"

What's up with that?


Obviously it's unbelievable because you'd never see the invasion coming!
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Re: Libya: US Consulate destroyed, Ambassador slain

Postby Malthrax » Mon Sep 17, 2012 12:43 pm

Brekkie wrote:Not to make this political, but why is it that I never see crackpots like that with a liberal ideology?

You never see "WE NEED UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE NOW BECAUSE THE ILLUMINATI WANT TO KILL US ALL WITH INFECTIOUS DISEASES!"
or...
"WE HAVE TO LEGALIZE ALL THE IMMIGRANTS IMMEDIATELY SO THAT THEY CAN JOIN OUR MILITIA TO DEFEND AGAINST THE IMMINENT INVASION OF CANADA!"

What's up with that?


The liberal crackpots are too busy "occupying" things to write ideological blogs.
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Re: Libya: US Consulate destroyed, Ambassador slain

Postby Fridmarr » Mon Sep 17, 2012 1:25 pm

Brekkie wrote:Not to make this political, but why is it that I never see crackpots like that with a liberal ideology?

You never see "WE NEED UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE NOW BECAUSE THE ILLUMINATI WANT TO KILL US ALL WITH INFECTIOUS DISEASES!"
or...
"WE HAVE TO LEGALIZE ALL THE IMMIGRANTS IMMEDIATELY SO THAT THEY CAN JOIN OUR MILITIA TO DEFEND AGAINST THE IMMINENT INVASION OF CANADA!"

What's up with that?


Rose tinted glasses perhaps?

In all seriousness, the views expressed by these people are so crazy and all over the place that it is difficult to lump them into conservative or liberal, but to that end if you want to lump any "ZOMG big brother government conspiracy causing the end of the world" as conservative, then wouldn't those with the "ZOMG big corporate conspricay ending the world" qualify as liberal? I don't think you are going to find a shortage of either of those.
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Re: Libya: US Consulate destroyed, Ambassador slain

Postby degre » Mon Sep 17, 2012 1:56 pm

Brekkie wrote:It must be a conspiracy; it's not on Google Maps OR Wikipedia!

To be fair that made me giggle, in his defense you must admit that consulate doesn't exist either on the official US site, that an attack just before the elections is a funny coincidence and that faked propaganda materials had already circulated when the US invaded Libya, I wouldn't blame him for being suspicious.

Either way, don't mind me, I just posted it because I found funny how every time the US is involved turns into a conspiracy hunt.
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Re: Libya: US Consulate destroyed, Ambassador slain

Postby shadoh » Mon Sep 17, 2012 3:00 pm

Thanks Brekkie, i havent had much time to read up on the stuff overseas, but i've seen some mobility at my station that had me interested. Reading what you've put down was needed, and didn't have that media veil up, simple clean facts. As for that site, the only time i am pro internet censorship is when i read sites like that.
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Re: Libya: US Consulate destroyed, Ambassador slain

Postby Brekkie » Mon Sep 17, 2012 5:02 pm

@Fridmarr
I guess that's true. The whole "evil-corporate-illuminati-is-out-to-get-us-plebians" faction would probably qualify. lol.


So, an update:
It appears that Ambassador Stevens didn't actually make it out of the consulate and get to his vehicle. He was in the burning building as the attackers breached the compound and went in after him, which is probably when his bodyguards were killed. The other Foreign Service Officer who was killed was shot inside the building as he finished destroying the communication equipment.

A note about the other protests going on throughout the world:
For the most part, this activity seems to be copy-cat protests. The movie issue is largely peripheral in most cases; protestors are generally just using the situation as an opportunity to get angry over whatever greviances they already had.
In some cases, such as Cairo and Yemen, the protests really arent much to do with the United States at all. Instead, it was just a convenient way to provoke the unpopular government military and police in those countries. In Cairo, at good half the protestors weren't even serious Muslims, but were a group of soccer hooligans who were invited to attend the event.

So what you are seeing isn't really the widespread descent into chaos that some of the news channels are making it out to be. If you'll excuse the terrible pun, it's simply that protests at the US Embassy are all the "rage" this fall.
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Re: Libya: US Consulate destroyed, Ambassador slain

Postby Dantriges » Mon Sep 17, 2012 5:27 pm

Conspiracy nuts. Weird that they believe that terroists can´t do any harm without the US government giving their OK.

I ike the article about the Illuminati. I didn´t knew that people still believed this secret worldwide conspiracy thing controlling everything. So secret theyprint their signs on every dollar bill of course.

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Re: Libya: US Consulate destroyed, Ambassador slain

Postby Skye1013 » Mon Sep 17, 2012 5:44 pm

Dantriges wrote:So secret theyprint their signs on every dollar bill of course.

Obviously the best place to hide something is in plain sight.
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Re: Libya: US Consulate destroyed, Ambassador slain

Postby Brekkie » Mon Sep 17, 2012 6:46 pm

From: Secretary Clinton
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 5:54 PM
To:
Subject: Our Fallen Comrades
THE SECRETARY OF STATE
WASHINGTON


Dear Colleagues –

Reflecting on the tragic events of last week, I want to say how proud I am to serve with you. Even on the most difficult and tragic of days, I am reminded of all you have done to build new partnerships, to create opportunities and to resolve conflicts worldwide. Our country is safer and stronger for it.

For those of you serving abroad, please know that we are working around the clock to keep you and your families safe. Your well-being is our highest priority. And we are so proud and grateful for your courageous service.

We will continue to honor the memory of Ambassador Chris Stevens, Sean Smith, Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty as we work together every day on behalf of the people of the United States. They each served the American people in different capacities, but the commitment that drove them was the same. And we see it every day, all around the world, in the work of diplomats and development experts of every rank and specialty. You risk your lives in the service of our country and our values, because you believe that the United States must be a force for peace and progress in the world, and that these aspirations are worth striving and sacrificing for.

The first time I spoke to the entire State Department was my first day on the job. People filled the C Street lobby. I was deeply moved by the welcome you gave me. I knew the men and women of the State Department from my time as First Lady and Senator. I had met many members of the Civil and Foreign Services here in the U.S. and around the world. But I was not part of the State Department family—not yet.

After nearly four years of working closely with you, and visiting embassies, consulates and domestic facilities, I am honored to be a member of this incredible family. I thank you for your service, from the bottom of my heart.

As many of you know, on Friday I joined the President and many members of the State Department community at Andrews Air Force Base for a ceremony marking the return of the remains of our colleagues. The President also visited the State Department earlier in the week to show his support and express his condolences. He gave deeply heartfelt remarks to the hundreds of people who gathered in the courtyard and I want to share those remarks with you here.

Hillary Rodham Clinton


PRESIDENT OBAMA
AT THE STATE DEPARTMENT
September 12, 2012
Washington, D.C.

Obviously, the first thing that I want to say, and what we all feel, is deep sorrow over the loss of Chris and Sean. Some of you knew them well. Some of you worked with them closely and were inspired by them. And there’s not much that I’m going to be able to say that quells the grief that all of you feel right now, thoughts and prayers are with their families.

But what I can say is that had it not been for Chris’s courage and his vision, his recognition of the stakes that existed last year when Benghazi was on the brink of being overrun, it’s not clear that those of us who were a little higher up off the ground would have made the difficult political decisions that we made in order to save Benghazi and ultimately provide Libya with the opportunity to determine their own destiny. And in some ways, that’s a microcosm of Chris’s courage, his vision, his willingness to engage on the ground in very difficult circumstances. That’s a microcosm of what all of you guys do each and every day.

Some of you know that I spent a lot of years overseas when I was a kid. And there’s no doubt that that’s shaped my perspective on the world and our place in it, and not always in the ways that some of my opponents describe, but it shaped it nevertheless. And what I know has always been one of America’s greatest gifts to the world, one of our greatest traits as a people, is the fact that we’re not made up of a single tribe, a single religion or a single race, but we’re this collection of strivers and dreamers, people from all around the world who came here because we all agreed on a creed, on a set of principles – the idea that all men and women are created equal, that we’re all endowed by our Creator with certain inalienable rights – that these aren’t just American rights, they’re not just Western rights; they are aspirations that people in the smallest village in Libya or in the most prosperous cities in Europe all believe in and care about, and that part of our task is to make sure that the way we project power as the greatest nation on Earth is consistent with those values.

We do so with humility, and we do so understanding that we can’t control the shape of events everywhere and that it’s not our job to dictate other people’s forms of government. But it is this belief that those values that make us who we are have to be part and parcel of how we operate in the world.

And Chris and Sean, I think, represent the very best of that tradition – people who were realistic but also idealistic; people who understood how hard it is to bring about change, but who weren’t daunted by the task and were willing to put their shoulder behind the wheel to move history in a better direction.

So I could not be prouder of them. But I also understand that all of you, with your own capacities and in your own ways, are carrying out that same tradition each and every day. And as a consequence of what you do, America is safer, America is more respected, America is more secure.

Are there risks in that approach? There are risks when somebody like Chris ventures out from the compound and takes the risk to his own security so that he can engage with people in circumstances that are still pretty volatile. There are risks when our diplomats are going to volunteer for posts that they know pose a risk to their person.

The fact that Chris and Sean were willing to take those risks, the fact that many of you are willing to take those risks, is not only commendable, it’s absolutely vital to us continuing to be a leading light, and it’s vital for us to be safer. Because the one thing that I’m absolutely confident about is that when we lead with our values, we lead with our ideas, and we don’t shy away from the world, and we’re not consumed by cynicism, but the belief that we can make things a little bit better. But when we embrace that, then we’re securing a better future for our kids and our grandkids and all those Americans to come.

So I hope that alongside your sorrow today, all of you also take a moment to reflect on how important your work is and to remind yourselves that it’s not that often in life where you’re allowed to really make a difference, where you’re put in a position where what you do matters, that changes lives. It may be the difference as to whether a child gets something to eat. It may make the difference in terms of whether a political prisoner is freed. It may make a difference in terms of whether or not a country shifts towards democracy. It may make a difference in whether or not Americans are welcome as they travel to places around the world.

What you guys do every day matters deeply. And so on days like this, it’s a good moment for us to step back and say all the frustrations, the setbacks, the dealings with your own internal bureaucracies, the plans that go awry, that all that stuff somehow is worth it, and that the reason you got into this business in the first place is because although there are a lot of reasons to be cynical about the world, there are more reasons to be hopeful about it.

I know everybody who knew Chris understood that that was who he was. He loved what he did, and he was excited about it, and he knew that it was going to make a difference. And he could see it. And I know Sean felt the same way. And I know most of you who got into this business did so because you feel that same way.

So this is a setback today, and part of our family has been lost. But don’t lose that sense of hopefulness. Don’t lose that sense that somehow the world is not subject to our better selves. If we work hard enough and smart enough, then over time we move the world in a better direction. And it’s not going to happen unless you guys retain that sense – and it can’t come from anywhere else because there’s no other country on Earth that thinks quite in that same way.

We are still the one indispensable power, and the reason is because of the spirit of people like Chris and Sean and because of you. Don’t lose that. And I hope that if you can take away one single thing from this tragedy, that we’re going to redouble our efforts and strengthen our resolve. I know that’s how your boss, the Secretary of State thinks about it because nobody’s been in the thick of things longer or seen greater reason to be cynical. And nobody, behind the tough exterior, still possesses that sense of hopefulness and idealism as much as our Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

So take something from her example. Take heart that no matter how difficult this particular day is, what you guys are doing every single day is making the world better. I thank you for it and the American people thank you for it as well.
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