Valor, Honor, Conquest, and Justice, oh my!

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Re: Valor, Honor, Conquest, and Justice, oh my!

Postby halabar » Tue Sep 04, 2012 6:53 pm

bldavis wrote:
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If DS is any indication, just about any guild will at least clear normal eventually.

but what about those guilds that do not raid?

not everyone is like most of us and is in a raiding guild


In that case, it depends on what, if any, valor gear is available for purchase, since with the first tier, the valor gear is generally better than the LFR gear.

TD;LR: We dunno yet.
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Re: Valor, Honor, Conquest, and Justice, oh my!

Postby Skye1013 » Tue Sep 04, 2012 7:15 pm

halabar wrote:TD;LR

Too didn't; long read?
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Re: Valor, Honor, Conquest, and Justice, oh my!

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Re: Valor, Honor, Conquest, and Justice, oh my!

Postby Amirya » Wed Sep 05, 2012 1:33 pm

bldavis wrote:
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If DS is any indication, just about any guild will at least clear normal eventually.

but what about those guilds that do not raid?

not everyone is like most of us and is in a raiding guild

...so, what? People in non-raiding guilds can't get pugged into runs where a raiding guild might be short a slot or two?

/asplode
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Re: Valor, Honor, Conquest, and Justice, oh my!

Postby Skye1013 » Wed Sep 05, 2012 5:19 pm

I don't know what kind of world you live in, but in my world, PUGs are like lepers... all they do is fall apart.
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Re: Valor, Honor, Conquest, and Justice, oh my!

Postby bldavis » Wed Sep 05, 2012 5:25 pm

my point was not everyone will have a chance to get normal mode gear
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Re: Valor, Honor, Conquest, and Justice, oh my!

Postby halabar » Wed Sep 05, 2012 6:33 pm

bldavis wrote:my point was not everyone will have a chance to get normal mode gear


Well, back to my point... we still don't know if it's buy a token that you use to upgrade your gear, or.. if it's insert your gear and 1500 valor for each upgrade. If the later, we'll have do do is as we go along due to the valor cap. If the former, I'll keep buying them until I get to whatever the top is that I feel I'll reach, and then upgrade everything.
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Re: Valor, Honor, Conquest, and Justice, oh my!

Postby Amirya » Thu Sep 06, 2012 8:40 am

Skye1013 wrote:I don't know what kind of world you live in, but in my world, PUGs are like lepers... all they do is fall apart.

No, we've had some entertaining pugs (the entertainment is when someone calls them out for epic failure, and they have 1001 excuses why).
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Re: Valor, Honor, Conquest, and Justice, oh my!

Postby Worldie » Thu Sep 06, 2012 1:03 pm

Amirya wrote:
bldavis wrote:
halabar wrote:
If DS is any indication, just about any guild will at least clear normal eventually.

but what about those guilds that do not raid?

not everyone is like most of us and is in a raiding guild

...so, what? People in non-raiding guilds can't get pugged into runs where a raiding guild might be short a slot or two?

/asplode

I think any guild who brings pugs to their main run must be either desperate or very irresponsible.
Usually it's better to raid with 23 than to bring pugs.
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Re: Valor, Honor, Conquest, and Justice, oh my!

Postby Nooska » Thu Sep 06, 2012 1:54 pm

Alas, 10 man raids don't have the same luxury of going with less usually, on the upside we have had a little challenge whe. We had 2 healers, one a pug, and I had higher healing done than the pug healer on hc zon and yor, while tanking (especially when finding out afterwardsbthatbsomeone had turned off thebzone buff/debuff)

We have also had some great pugs though.
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Re: Valor, Honor, Conquest, and Justice, oh my!

Postby degre » Thu Sep 06, 2012 2:12 pm

We cleared DS25n in 17, after doing a few bosses in 15, I am confident that you could do with a raid not full in DS10.
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Re: Valor, Honor, Conquest, and Justice, oh my!

Postby Nooska » Thu Sep 06, 2012 2:19 pm

I'll quickly ammend that - pre 30 %, and some of it at 20 %
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Re: Valor, Honor, Conquest, and Justice, oh my!

Postby bldavis » Thu Sep 06, 2012 5:39 pm

Worldie wrote:I think any guild who brings pugs to their main run must be either desperate or very irresponsible.
Usually it's better to raid with 23 than to bring pugs.

we are a 10 man guild, and at the time we were having enough issue with 10 ppl

sorry but in 10 man, you lose a larger percentage of dps when you are missing someone, so maybe in 25 man it is ok to raid without pugs if someone is missing
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Re: Valor, Honor, Conquest, and Justice, oh my!

Postby Skye1013 » Thu Sep 06, 2012 5:53 pm

That and we proved to ourselves that we can't even handle 8 man Firelands (with a realID/guild group.)
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Re: Valor, Honor, Conquest, and Justice, oh my!

Postby Jaitee » Thu Sep 06, 2012 5:56 pm

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Amirya wrote:
bldavis wrote:...so, what? People in non-raiding guilds can't get pugged into runs where a raiding guild might be short a slot or two?

/asplode

I think any guild who brings pugs to their main run must be either desperate or very irresponsible.
Usually it's better to raid with 23 than to bring pugs.


my guild has taken the risk a few times in grabbing a pug generally there isnt anything they can can do to make the fight harder then having an empty slot and we actually got our current resto shammy from needing to pug a dps one day and he came on one of his many alts got along great with the guild so we started inviting him back even when we didnt need a pug and eventually got him into the guild!
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