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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Nooska » Fri Aug 31, 2012 1:58 pm

The way things are looking the price will (with minor fluctuations) simply go up.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Malthrax » Fri Aug 31, 2012 2:59 pm

Nooska wrote:The way things are looking the price will (with minor fluctuations) simply go up.


noooooo!!! it needs a mid/low 20's bounce first. me wants bai moar.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Koatanga » Fri Aug 31, 2012 3:03 pm

Speaking strictly from an opposites point of view, I believe the opposite of having "In God We Trust" on the currency would be to print "There is no god" on the currency. The middle ground would be to make no reference to either claim on the currency - basically to abstain from the argument.

And from that perspective, I would be on the side of removing the text, so that the currency stays out of the theistic/atheistic argument where it doesn't belong in the first place.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Shoju » Fri Aug 31, 2012 6:11 pm

Koatanga wrote:Speaking strictly from an opposites point of view, I believe the opposite of having "In God We Trust" on the currency would be to print "There is no god" on the currency. The middle ground would be to make no reference to either claim on the currency - basically to abstain from the argument.

And from that perspective, I would be on the side of removing the text, so that the currency stays out of the theistic/atheistic argument where it doesn't belong in the first place.


As I just posted in a PM to someone, this is where I'm at. I think the government's official stance on religion should be short, sweet, and to the point:


"As long as you aren't infringing on the rights of another human being, have at it".

Nothing more, nothing less. No wading into the theological past that. BAsically, if you aren't killing people, or oppressing people, or doing someting else blatantly illegal, your religion is fine, and we wont bother it.

But that's my opinion, and only my opinion.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Skye1013 » Sat Sep 01, 2012 12:05 am

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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Klaudandus » Mon Sep 03, 2012 7:06 pm

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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Skye1013 » Tue Sep 04, 2012 7:50 pm

"me no gay, me friends gay, me no like you call me gay, you dumb dumb" -bldavis
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Klaudandus » Wed Sep 05, 2012 5:48 am

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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Koatanga » Wed Sep 05, 2012 1:13 pm

Klaudandus wrote:http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2012/09/family-first-nz-forgot-to-renew-its-domain-name-lost-it-to-pro-gay-marriage-group/

LOL

I second the LOL.

However, I do wish to point out one inaccuracy of the article - the NZ political climate is nothing like the US one. In NZ, same-sex couples can get legal standing as a Civil Union, which has every right a married couple has except the ability to jointly adopt a child, and to be called a marriage. We're looking to give same-sex couples the actual marriage rights so they can be truly equal.

Additionally, our right-wing groups would be considered moderate, and even liberal, in the US.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Shoju » Wed Sep 05, 2012 1:21 pm

MOderate to Liberal, and still fighting Same Sex Marriage?

/head explodes.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Koatanga » Wed Sep 05, 2012 1:36 pm

Shoju wrote:MOderate to Liberal, and still fighting Same Sex Marriage?

/head explodes.

It's a religious/social issue, not a political one. It has been politicised, which in the US means one party espouses it therefore the other party must oppose it - US politics hates bipartisan issues.

Have a read at this article:

http://www.allegiancemusical.com/blog-entry/gorilla-their-midst
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Aubade » Wed Sep 05, 2012 3:26 pm

http://conservapedia.com/Homosexual

This is so bad it's almost funny....
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Levantine » Wed Sep 05, 2012 4:46 pm

Koatanga wrote:
Klaudandus wrote:http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2012/09/family-first-nz-forgot-to-renew-its-domain-name-lost-it-to-pro-gay-marriage-group/

LOL

I second the LOL.

However, I do wish to point out one inaccuracy of the article - the NZ political climate is nothing like the US one. In NZ, same-sex couples can get legal standing as a Civil Union, which has every right a married couple has except the ability to jointly adopt a child, and to be called a marriage. We're looking to give same-sex couples the actual marriage rights so they can be truly equal.

Additionally, our right-wing groups would be considered moderate, and even liberal, in the US.


It's an Australian website, not a US one.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Koatanga » Wed Sep 05, 2012 6:00 pm

Levantine wrote:It's an Australian website, not a US one.

Australia, US - same thing; they both suck at rugby.

But the point stands - our political climates are not alike. NZ has legally recognised gay couples for years, and is seeking to do away with the last distinction.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Levantine » Wed Sep 05, 2012 7:29 pm

You're good at focusing on singular points to the exclusion and flat out blind and willful ignorance of any others, aren'tcha. Outside of gay marriage Aus and NZ political climates are quite similar. My entire mother's side of the family resides in New Zealand, and why I don't know from first hand experience due to living in Australia, I hear enough to be able to draw a significant number of parallels.
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