LGBT rights discussion

[Malthrax]

The way things are looking the price will (with minor fluctuations) simply go up.

noooooo!!! it needs a mid/low 20's bounce first. me wants bai moar.

[Koatanga]

Speaking strictly from an opposites point of view, I believe the opposite of having "In God We Trust" on the currency would be to print "There is no god" on the currency. The middle ground would be to make no reference to either claim on the currency - basically to abstain from the argument.

And from that perspective, I would be on the side of removing the text, so that the currency stays out of the theistic/atheistic argument where it doesn't belong in the first place.

[Shoju]

Speaking strictly from an opposites point of view, I believe the opposite of having "In God We Trust" on the currency would be to print "There is no god" on the currency. The middle ground would be to make no reference to either claim on the currency - basically to abstain from the argument.

And from that perspective, I would be on the side of removing the text, so that the currency stays out of the theistic/atheistic argument where it doesn't belong in the first place.

As I just posted in a PM to someone, this is where I'm at. I think the government's official stance on religion should be short, sweet, and to the point:


"As long as you aren't infringing on the rights of another human being, have at it".

Nothing more, nothing less. No wading into the theological past that. BAsically, if you aren't killing people, or oppressing people, or doing someting else blatantly illegal, your religion is fine, and we wont bother it.

But that's my opinion, and only my opinion.

[Skye1013]

[Klaudandus]

[Skye1013]

Decent article: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/conor-gau ... 54826.html

[Klaudandus]

http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2012/09/famil ... age-group/

LOL

[Koatanga]

http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2012/09/family-first-nz-forgot-to-renew-its-domain-name-lost-it-to-pro-gay-marriage-group/

LOL

I second the LOL.

However, I do wish to point out one inaccuracy of the article - the NZ political climate is nothing like the US one. In NZ, same-sex couples can get legal standing as a Civil Union, which has every right a married couple has except the ability to jointly adopt a child, and to be called a marriage. We're looking to give same-sex couples the actual marriage rights so they can be truly equal.

Additionally, our right-wing groups would be considered moderate, and even liberal, in the US.

[Shoju]

MOderate to Liberal, and still fighting Same Sex Marriage?

/head explodes.

[Koatanga]

MOderate to Liberal, and still fighting Same Sex Marriage?

/head explodes.

It's a religious/social issue, not a political one. It has been politicised, which in the US means one party espouses it therefore the other party must oppose it - US politics hates bipartisan issues.

Have a read at this article:

http://www.allegiancemusical.com/blog-entry/gorilla-their-midst

[Aubade]

http://conservapedia.com/Homosexual

This is so bad it's almost funny....

[Levantine]

http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2012/09/family-first-nz-forgot-to-renew-its-domain-name-lost-it-to-pro-gay-marriage-group/

LOL

I second the LOL.

However, I do wish to point out one inaccuracy of the article - the NZ political climate is nothing like the US one. In NZ, same-sex couples can get legal standing as a Civil Union, which has every right a married couple has except the ability to jointly adopt a child, and to be called a marriage. We're looking to give same-sex couples the actual marriage rights so they can be truly equal.

Additionally, our right-wing groups would be considered moderate, and even liberal, in the US.

It's an Australian website, not a US one.

[Koatanga]

It's an Australian website, not a US one.

Australia, US - same thing; they both suck at rugby.

But the point stands - our political climates are not alike. NZ has legally recognised gay couples for years, and is seeking to do away with the last distinction.

[Levantine]

You're good at focusing on singular points to the exclusion and flat out blind and willful ignorance of any others, aren'tcha. Outside of gay marriage Aus and NZ political climates are quite similar. My entire mother's side of the family resides in New Zealand, and why I don't know from first hand experience due to living in Australia, I hear enough to be able to draw a significant number of parallels.

[Koatanga]

You're good at focusing on singular points to the exclusion and flat out blind and willful ignorance of any others, aren'tcha. Outside of gay marriage Aus and NZ political climates are quite similar. My entire mother's side of the family resides in New Zealand, and why I don't know from first hand experience due to living in Australia, I hear enough to be able to draw a significant number of parallels.

Nah actually I didn't go back and re-read the article. Now that I did it definitely does say NZ is similar to "ours" meaning Aus, so I would agree with that. For some reason I thought it was comparing to the US.

But yeah, Aus is close to NZ in many more ways than mere geography. Apart from rugby prowess, of course.