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Re: Valor, Honor, Conquest, and Justice, oh my!

Postby halabar » Fri Aug 24, 2012 10:48 am

Nooska wrote:Also posted in the other thread;
On the valor upgrade there was a blue post a few days ago about it coming in 5.1, let me see if I can find it...
With Mists of Pandaria, Patch 5.1
We currently plan to upgrade the Valor system as Ghostcrawler described in Mists of Pandaria Looting Explained in the 5.1 patch, allowing you to upgrade your gear using Valor points. We’ll have additional information once Mists of Pandaria launches and we get closer to the 5.1 patch release.

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/7029341


Yeah, I saw that too... dev are doing the valor dance right now.
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Re: Valor, Honor, Conquest, and Justice, oh my!

Postby PsiVen » Fri Aug 24, 2012 4:41 pm

degre wrote:
PsiVen wrote:That's a good point. It's been profitable to spam 5-mans for some time, but now the gold reward is a lot bigger. Sadly it won't be any more interesting than the past year of it... Previously, we weren't allowed to gain JP/Honor anymore if we were over the cap. I wonder if they will actually allow it this time, as they seem to be saying.

JP gear at level 90 is going to be fairly worthless. Everyone will very rapidly have full 463s from the heroics, which won't be tuned to require full 450 gear. I expect a situation similar to WotLK, where people are mostly fine with Dragon Soul gear plus random upgrades. Even PvP honor gear is ilvl 464 and perfectly itemized for PvE in many cases. Farming as much Conquest as possible after you reach 90 will be a good upgrade path for the first few weeks at least.

They will change all our VP to JP at the next reset when they'll deploy the 5.0 patch, from then to the release of MoP JPs are uncapped, so farm as much as you want, then any you'll have above the 4k cap when MoP will go live on the 25th of September will be turned to gold at a rate of 47s per point.

As for the gear you'll probably want something more than random upgrades, heroics require 440 and you available at best 450 gear.


Random queues may require ilvl 440, but that has nothing to do with the gear we'll be using to run them with guildies the day we all hit 90. Once you start replacing slots with 463s you can break the threshold and start queuing for the random bonus. That's how it worked in Cataclysm, and with these dungeons I don't expect guild groups to have to pause at all between hitting 90 and starting Heroics with whatever JP/Honor gear they had saved up for.

I'm not really even sure how you're supposed to get JP before you do Heroics, and once you can do Heroics, the gear is a tier behind. It feels like they designed it specifically for the power level of "stuff people buy with 4000 JP when they hit 90" which begs the question of why they bothered with making full sets.
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Re: Valor, Honor, Conquest, and Justice, oh my!

Postby Xequecal » Fri Aug 24, 2012 5:09 pm

You get JP from normal modes. I know a lot of people forget those exist, but there are a lot of people who aren't good enough to do even heroics without getting carried by 4 other people and a 15% buff in group finder. These people need something to do when they hit 90.
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Re: Valor, Honor, Conquest, and Justice, oh my!

Postby Nikachelle » Fri Aug 24, 2012 5:21 pm

Normal mode bosses? Or doing random normal mode via the finder and receiving JP as a bonus for using the RDF?
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Re: Valor, Honor, Conquest, and Justice, oh my!

Postby bldavis » Fri Aug 24, 2012 5:32 pm

Nikachelle wrote:Normal mode bosses? Or doing random normal mode via the finder and receiving JP as a bonus for using the RDF?

or both?
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Re: Valor, Honor, Conquest, and Justice, oh my!

Postby Nikachelle » Fri Aug 24, 2012 5:57 pm

Not sure if we're talking new world or old world. But currently the only normal bosses in 5 man dungeon that gives JP are the ones in Halls of Origination. And they didn't even do that at Cataclysm launch for several months. So no, I wouldn't expect JP off normal bosses.
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Re: Valor, Honor, Conquest, and Justice, oh my!

Postby bldavis » Fri Aug 24, 2012 6:12 pm

i was just stating a question as to the possibility that you could get JP from bosses as well as a bonus from using RDF
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Re: Valor, Honor, Conquest, and Justice, oh my!

Postby KysenMurrin » Sat Aug 25, 2012 2:30 am

Blizz have backtracked somewhat on the Justice position. You'll now not be able to earn Justice if you are over the cap, and the conversion to gold will happen after 2 weeks, not at MoP launch. Guess they didn't want people using the change to farm up gold.
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Re: Valor, Honor, Conquest, and Justice, oh my!

Postby Worldie » Sat Aug 25, 2012 4:44 am

Nikachelle wrote:Not sure if we're talking new world or old world. But currently the only normal bosses in 5 man dungeon that gives JP are the ones in Halls of Origination.

and Tolvir and Grim Batol ;)
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Re: Valor, Honor, Conquest, and Justice, oh my!

Postby Nikachelle » Sat Aug 25, 2012 7:17 am

Worldie wrote:
Nikachelle wrote:Not sure if we're talking new world or old world. But currently the only normal bosses in 5 man dungeon that gives JP are the ones in Halls of Origination.

and Tolvir and Grim Batol ;)

Really? My mistake. Wasn't like that at launch though right?
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Re: Valor, Honor, Conquest, and Justice, oh my!

Postby Nikachelle » Sat Aug 25, 2012 7:18 am

KysenMurrin wrote:Blizz have backtracked somewhat on the Justice position. You'll now not be able to earn Justice if you are over the cap, and the conversion to gold will happen after 2 weeks, not at MoP launch. Guess they didn't want people using the change to farm up gold.

Argh. I keep flip flopping between farming dungeons for excess points to not bothering cuz they'll just convert to gold.
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Re: Valor, Honor, Conquest, and Justice, oh my!

Postby PsiVen » Sat Aug 25, 2012 8:35 am

Nikachelle wrote:
Worldie wrote:
Nikachelle wrote:Not sure if we're talking new world or old world. But currently the only normal bosses in 5 man dungeon that gives JP are the ones in Halls of Origination.

and Tolvir and Grim Batol ;)

Really? My mistake. Wasn't like that at launch though right?


Nope, they added that in 4.1 I believe.


Xequecal wrote:You get JP from normal modes. I know a lot of people forget those exist, but there are a lot of people who aren't good enough to do even heroics without getting carried by 4 other people and a 15% buff in group finder. These people need something to do when they hit 90.


These dungeons quite literally do not exist in MoP. The level 90 normal mode dungeons are called "Heroic" now. Presumably you get JP from the bosses in them, which is where JP is supposed to come from, but you will have little use for that gear since it's a tier behind. Hence why I don't understand the system they went with here.
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Re: Valor, Honor, Conquest, and Justice, oh my!

Postby Newsom » Sat Aug 25, 2012 3:10 pm

Well, JP will be more useful in T15 I guess.
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Re: Valor, Honor, Conquest, and Justice, oh my!

Postby halabar » Mon Aug 27, 2012 7:51 am

KysenMurrin wrote:Blizz have backtracked somewhat on the Justice position. You'll now not be able to earn Justice if you are over the cap, and the conversion to gold will happen after 2 weeks, not at MoP launch. Guess they didn't want people using the change to farm up gold.


Which means you only now want to make sure you are at cap, and then take a vacation.. unless you need to buy some heirlooms or something.
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Re: Valor, Honor, Conquest, and Justice, oh my!

Postby Loliinacan » Tue Aug 28, 2012 2:29 pm

So, this is a repost from a thread I made in the official forums. I didn't actually get a decent response to my question, so I thought I might ask it here. I wasn't sure if I should make a new topic, but this thread seemed to already be talking about what I asked. Here is the original:

I am a late comer to the beta. I had early access due to the annual pass, I haven't really played until a few weeks ago. Fast forward to now, and I just hit 90 last night. The thing is, I have no idea what I'm supposed to do now. By that I mean, where am I supposed to get gear?

I know that on the beta, I could go straight to the pvp vendor and pick up enough pieces to get me "ready" to do heroics, but that vendor won't exist on live. There are only three other ways to get gear from what I can see:

1) Get reps to honored so that I can buy JP gear.
2) Crafting
3) Do the only normal mode dungeon that can drop high enough level gear: Mogu'shan Palace.

The problem with 1 is that I have to do dailies, which I hate. It doesn't make sense that I do a ton of quests to hit max level so I can... do more quests? Now, I can suck it up and do them, but there are still problems with this. The two reps that I have any progress with will only give me a piece of gear each. No guarantee that those two pieces will push me over the ilevel needed to enter heroics. Also, what about new characters leveling up that don't have a stash of JP sitting around? Where are they supposed to get it? When you ding 90 you can no longer queue for the 'random normal Pandaria dungeon.' Even if I do get a ton of reps up to honored to buy gear, I don't know how to get enough JP to buy all the pieces.

The problem with number 2 isn't so bad. I have enough mats in my bag from leveling that I can get maybe 4 pieces made. The issue is that on live, I'll have to wait for someone to get the recipes that I need. That can't be counted on with my guild. I am usually the first to hit max level when an expansion drops.

And of course, the problem with number 3 is similar to number 1. I don't know that getting the two pieces of tank gear from there will give me the necessary ilevel I need.

So, what am I supposed to do? A mix of all 3? What if that still doesn't give me the ilevel I need?

TL;DR - Where do I get non-pvp gear that will enable me to tank heroics?
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