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Re: So I heard Blizzard is losing customers

Postby Fivelives » Sat Aug 04, 2012 2:34 am

Old game is old. Nothing in WoW is new and shiny anymore - call it the 7 year itch. I imagine that's what they expected, and is probably why they started development on an unannounced MMO a couple of years ago. That belief was reinforced when they opened up the year-long agreement deal.

Any expansion past Cata is probably just cash grabbing via formula anymore, and I'm pretty sure that there's going to be a continued drop-off in subscriber numbers.

My only question is, will the next MMO they put out be World of Warcraft 2? Or will it be based off Starcraft or Diablo instead. I'd bet on Starcraft as a pvp-centric MMO with 3 factions.
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Re: So I heard Blizzard is losing customers

Postby KysenMurrin » Sat Aug 04, 2012 2:35 am

They've repeatedly said the MMO known as Titan wil be an entirely new IP.
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Re: So I heard Blizzard is losing customers

Postby Fivelives » Sat Aug 04, 2012 2:40 am

I doubt it'll be an entirely new IP, despite what they've been saying.
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Re: So I heard Blizzard is losing customers

Postby bldavis » Sat Aug 04, 2012 6:40 am

Fivelives wrote:I doubt it'll be an entirely new IP, despite what they've been saying.

same here
and i am betting it will be starcraft based as well

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Re: So I heard Blizzard is losing customers

Postby Worldie » Sat Aug 04, 2012 7:31 am

A starcraft MMO would be... awesome! But I doubt that's ever gonna happen :)
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Re: So I heard Blizzard is losing customers

Postby bldavis » Sat Aug 04, 2012 9:33 am

Worldie wrote:A starcraft MMO would be... awesome! But I doubt that's ever gonna happen :)

well its either WoW 2, Diablo MMO, SC MMO, or new IP
im not sure ppl would want a WoW 2, the lore is so fucked up as it is

Diablo...not much else to do, plus i cant see a dungeon crawler becoming an MMO that well (then again i cant see an RTS turning MMO, but we have WoW)

iirc, bungie was developing it with Blizz, and aren't they famous for Halo? (i know its some space-esque shooter) which has me leaning towards SC MMO

fixes the faction pvp issues of WoW, has a steady following already, and can provide alot of variety in gameplay (which would be nice)

i can already see the classes/roles for each race

marine - ranged, maurader - tank, firebat - melee and medic (duh) for terran, w

zerg - roach (tank) hydra (ranged) zergling (melee) and queen as healer?

protoss - zealot - melee dps, immortal - tank, sentry - heals/ranged dps, and stalker - ranged dps

there are even mounts in game too! (with a lil tweaking)
helions and siege tanks as ground mounts, maybe a drop ship as a flying mount? or a viking?
zerg flying mounts could be overlords/mutas with land mounts being ultralisks?
and protoss you have colossi and warp prism/phoenix

they even have a built in portal system with nydus worms and warping in for protoss
the terran have hyper space on capital ships :?


now that i have all this out, it will be really weird if this is what they do :?
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Re: So I heard Blizzard is losing customers

Postby halabar » Sat Aug 04, 2012 9:43 am

Worldie wrote:A starcraft MMO would be... awesome! But I doubt that's ever gonna happen :)


It would be awesome for a while, but unless they address gear inflation in an entirely different way, it wouldn't have the legs that WoW has. (Is that your ilvl 595 laser gun, or are you just happy to see me..)

Fantasy is pretty crowded now, and would be too close to WoW. Space has been done. Halo-war-type would be limiting.

The IP that I would like to see is Steampunk. You have a lot of ways you can go with that.
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Re: So I heard Blizzard is losing customers

Postby Torquemada » Sat Aug 04, 2012 9:45 am

I'm going to be very interested to see what they do to tie Heart of the Swarm into WoW... like perhaps an annual pass, but maybe not for an entire year because you're still only buying 1/3rd of the campaign. After 2 years in South Korea, with cable tv that had not one, but TWO channels dedicated to StarCraft and that was even before SC2 came out... yeah, say goodbye to a few more Asian players when that finally drops.
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Re: So I heard Blizzard is losing customers

Postby bldavis » Sat Aug 04, 2012 9:47 am

halabar wrote:
The IP that I would like to see is Steampunk. You have a lot of ways you can go with that.

there was an MMO that totalbiscuit covered with a steampunk setting

looked cool



that and i have no faith in blizz to pull steampunk off right

edit: found the video!
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Brekkie:Tanks are like shitty DPS. And healers are like REALLY distracted DPS
Amirya:Why yes, your penis is longer than his because you hit 30k dps in the first 10 seconds. But guess what? That raid boss has a dick bigger than your ego.
Flex:I don't make mistakes. I execute carefully planned strategic group wipes.
Levie:(in /g) It's weird, I have a collar and I dont know where I got it from, Worgen are kinky!
Levie:Drunk Lev goes and does what he pleases just to annoy sober Lev.
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Re: So I heard Blizzard is losing customers

Postby halabar » Sat Aug 04, 2012 9:54 am

bldavis wrote:
halabar wrote:
The IP that I would like to see is Steampunk. You have a lot of ways you can go with that.

there was an MMO that totalbiscuit covered with a steampunk setting

looked cool



that and i have no faith in blizz to pull steampunk off right


On one hand you could say they have the resources, on the other hand I might be 65 before it comes out..

But after the mild dissapointment with SC2, and then the same pattern for D3, there is certainly room to raise doubt if Blizz could ever create another new IP hit in today's market. (Then again, no one else is either... WoW may be the exception to the rule).
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Re: So I heard Blizzard is losing customers

Postby bldavis » Sat Aug 04, 2012 10:04 am

WoW may be the exception to what rule?
New IP being a hit

WoW is based on one of the oldest IPs they have
warcraft was around before starcraft and diablo iirc

WoW is just a juggernaught that seems to be finally losing a little steam
it was the first big western MMO that got away from teh grind of eastern titles

you dont have to be the best, you just have to be the first
you be first, do reasonably well, and you are set

with games like GW2, Wildstar and a few others coming out in the near future, we are seeing the next evolution in MMOs
i dont know if they will be good evolutions, or if they will be enough to bring wow to its knees (im almost certain it wont) but they will start chipping away at the 8 year old game

WoW is still a great game, and still has a HUGE following, still 10 times what SWTOR had at its peak, but it is getting long in the tooth and its only a matter of time before it falls

SC2 i enjoyed, having not played the first one.
D3....was a miss in my books, but that is with playing the beta and watching a play through for the story

honestly, im not sure blizzard could come up with something that would be a runaway smash hit to take over wow
anything they do release would be a hit...at least for a while, just because it was a Blizzard product
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Flex:I don't make mistakes. I execute carefully planned strategic group wipes.
Levie:(in /g) It's weird, I have a collar and I dont know where I got it from, Worgen are kinky!
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Re: So I heard Blizzard is losing customers

Postby Teranoid » Sat Aug 04, 2012 11:02 am

After Diablo 3's failures I'm pretty sure the general gaming public wouldn't go near a Diablo mmo
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Re: So I heard Blizzard is losing customers

Postby Darielle » Sat Aug 04, 2012 3:32 pm

masterpoobaa wrote:Subs will come back up with panda like every expansion. WoW keeps on keeping on.
Myself I've gone full circle - noob, scrub, casual raider, quasi hardcore raider, quit, resub and back to noob/scrub :)


In reality, for every prior expansion, subs come back BEFORE the expansion ends. After the expansion hits is when they drop again because everyone who levelled up and can't be bothered raiding quits again.
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Re: So I heard Blizzard is losing customers

Postby Jarvick » Sat Aug 04, 2012 3:38 pm

Wow, is on the decline but no one or no MMO has been able to top it, Wow will fall by itself, after 8 years people want a change, I know alot of people will say GW2 took Wow down but even without GW2 WoW is sliding into what seems like a grave. If Numbers hold over 10 million, you might, MIGHT get one more exspansion from Wow. But I think GW2 will be just like Age of Conan, Warhammer, Lord of the Rings, etc. it will do well for maybe a year but when people see it is what it is, they will leave it to. If Blizzard wants to stay on top (meaning they are working on a New MMO) they need fresh minds, they do not need the people who are doing WoW now. Wow was at its best Pre-BC, Only thing was 40 man raids were a pain in the butt.
I think MoP is a joke, nothing about it makes me want to come back, I walked away Feb 11th 2011 and the only reason I find myself wanting to come back, is I missed raiding (not hard core, but the fun stuff learning content, etc.) I wished I would stuck with Cata cause it seemed very good, I hated WotLk, Pre-BC was my favorite, even with all the things that needed to be fixed it was better imo. ( I say that cause I only played Cata for about 4 months and didnt get to do alot of the raids)

I think MoP is Blizzards way of appealing to the younger people who play this game, but I think they are going about it the wrong way. WoW does seem like it will die, but when? And will there be anything that will ever compare to it? My instints tell me no.

StarCraft- Not a fan, tried Star Trek, almost did Knights but its not the same, I would propbably skip on that tag, Same with Diablo MMO.

I would almost rather see them do a Wow 2.0, then do those others.
Last I know alot of people are coming away from the game, but I see people coming back, not because of MoP but because there is nothing else that comes close to it.
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Re: So I heard Blizzard is losing customers

Postby Fetzie » Sat Aug 04, 2012 8:27 pm

Teranoid wrote:After Diablo 3's failures I'm pretty sure the general gaming public wouldn't go near a Diablo mmo


The way that they are frantically trying to balance everybody's damage you could have fooled me that we currently have a diablo MMO...


BLizzard really needs to up their game. So many good games are now BtP (e.g. GW2), F2P until max level (e.g. SW:ToR from September). With people seeing that you no longer need to pay for the box and a monthly sub, the additional value you get from playing WoW needs to go up. Dragon Soul effectively cost the players nearly 100 euros (8 months subscription between firelands and DS). If they don't make it worth that money, people are going to go somewhere else where they can get raid content for free or for a small fee.
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