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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Fridmarr » Sun Jul 22, 2012 10:33 pm

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Fridmarr wrote:Anyhow, people can argue the religious stuff all they want for their own personal opinions, but I don't think it has much standing legally.
It doesn't have legal standing but it has an impact on the speed of which things are addressed. It is political suicide to push anything through if the majority of your constituents are against it, even if it's the right thing to do.
Well newsflash, our political leaders are wussies. They almost never do what's right for anyone but themselves. But this isn't just a political issue, at least if you can get it in front of the Supreme court, their ruling would trump all including DOMA and not have any affect on their careers since they don't really answer to anyone in that regard.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Passionario » Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:57 am

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Depending on the particular implementation, it might, in fact, open the way for some pretty crazy exploits.

Yes, a dog has no legal standing or ability to sign a marriage contract - but a corporation certainly does. So, for that matter, does a nation.

Bribe the president to sign a marriage treaty on behalf of the USA, get divorced, claim half of all US assets, profit. :twisted:
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Sagara » Mon Jul 23, 2012 1:13 am

Then again, Belgium's law make it pretty clear there are physical persons (people) and moral persons (companies).

That's QUITE a bit of a stretch there.

A more interesting concept would be: you might marry you best friend, or just about anyone of consenting age, without feelings or whatever. It's not *wrong* per se (marriage is, after all the religious and social baggage, just a business deal, not profoundly different from a shared or sub-let flat), just eyebrow-raising.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Treck » Mon Jul 23, 2012 3:31 am

I feel like im late to the party, but LGBT rights? that doesnt sound right.
Shouldnt it be "human rights".
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Levantine » Mon Jul 23, 2012 3:56 am

You'll have to ask the churchies that one.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Skye1013 » Mon Jul 23, 2012 4:56 am

I just picked a name. You can call it whatever you want. Whole point was to move it out of Frustrations and nobody else seemed to be working towards that. /shrug
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Treck » Mon Jul 23, 2012 5:28 am

I wasnt complaining on the topic, its good, its beeing discussed imo.
I was mainly making a statement that its pretty obvious that the LGBT community have all the same rights as any human beeing has. Just like you dont have special rights for people who are attracted to redheads (just for the record thats very different)
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Skye1013 » Mon Jul 23, 2012 5:32 am

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Seemed fitting for one stream of this discussion.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Nikachelle » Mon Jul 23, 2012 5:41 am

Treck wrote:I was mainly making a statement that its pretty obvious that the LGBT community have all the same rights as any human beeing has.

But they don't have the same rights in certain countries.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Treck » Mon Jul 23, 2012 6:49 am

I think my wording is bad mainly since English isnt my first language.
But a human is a human, thus they have human rights, thats what I mean is pretty obvious, LGBT or not theres no differance.
Yes the problem is obviously that they dont have the same rights in many countries.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Levantine » Mon Jul 23, 2012 7:02 am

Was just about to say that I thought you were trying to say something along those lines. English must truly be a horrible language to learn as a secondary. :/
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Treck » Mon Jul 23, 2012 7:16 am

Not that swedish is the best language to express yourself in, but trying to express yourself in a second language that is english, makes it easy to think you are more clear than you actually are.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Amirya » Mon Jul 23, 2012 7:36 am

Sagara wrote:A more interesting concept would be: you might marry you best friend, or just about anyone of consenting age, without feelings or whatever.

Near as I can tell, there's currently nothing written in any law that says when you obtain an opposite gender spouse, you must also love them as a spouse.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby bldavis » Mon Jul 23, 2012 7:42 am

Amirya wrote:
Sagara wrote:A more interesting concept would be: you might marry you best friend, or just about anyone of consenting age, without feelings or whatever.

Near as I can tell, there's currently nothing written in any law that says when you obtain an opposite gender spouse, you must also love them as a spouse.

accordingly to law marriage has nothing to do with love
all it does is provide certain rights and privileges to the two people who signed the marriage contract
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Nikachelle » Mon Jul 23, 2012 7:46 am

Treck wrote:I think my wording is bad mainly since English isnt my first language.
But a human is a human, thus they have human rights, thats what I mean is pretty obvious, LGBT or not theres no differance.
Yes the problem is obviously that they dont have the same rights in many countries.

Oh okay I got you now. :)
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