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Re: Corporation Plans 2023 Reality TV Mars Mission

Postby Fivelives » Tue Jun 26, 2012 6:32 pm

I don't think that Mars would have been capable of supporting life at any point. At least, not multi-cellular life forms, anyway. Some bacteria (known collectively as archeobacteria) could theoretically have survived on Mars, but anything more complex would have just frozen solid.

Just because there is water somewhere doesn't necessarily mean that place is capable of sustaining life (especially since thanks to the temperatures there it would never have been found in anything but a solid state). And no, Mars will never be able to sustain life at all, thanks to the distance from the "goldilocks zone" and the complete lack of a magnetosphere.
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Re: Corporation Plans 2023 Reality TV Mars Mission

Postby Skye1013 » Tue Jun 26, 2012 6:33 pm

I'm not saying that it can... but it's a more common belief than the moon sustaining life.
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Re: Corporation Plans 2023 Reality TV Mars Mission

Postby Fivelives » Tue Jun 26, 2012 6:43 pm

There are still people that believe the hollow earth hypothesis. Hell, I saw something on the National Geographic channel about people who still believe the earth is flat.

Just because it's a "common belief" doesn't necessarily mean it's right.
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Re: Corporation Plans 2023 Reality TV Mars Mission

Postby Skye1013 » Wed Jun 27, 2012 5:18 pm

Fivelives wrote:Just because it's a "common belief" doesn't necessarily mean it's right.

Not arguing against that... but the question was:
Tophus wrote:I'm curious as to why he chose Mars instead of an easier conquest to start with (like the moon)?

I was offering my suggestion as to why that might be.
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Re: Corporation Plans 2023 Reality TV Mars Mission

Postby lythac » Wed Jun 27, 2012 5:29 pm

Skye1013 wrote:
Fivelives wrote:Just because it's a "common belief" doesn't necessarily mean it's right.

Not arguing against that... but the question was:
Tophus wrote:I'm curious as to why he chose Mars instead of an easier conquest to start with (like the moon)?

I was offering my suggestion as to why that might be.


My idea is -

People have been to the moon and returned from the moon.

People haven't been to Mars and haven't returned from Mars.

How can you sell a one way/non return trip to the moon ethically? Easier to do it with Mars.
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Re: Corporation Plans 2023 Reality TV Mars Mission

Postby Koatanga » Wed Jun 27, 2012 6:24 pm

lythac wrote:My idea is -

People have been to the moon and returned from the moon.

People haven't been to Mars and haven't returned from Mars.

How can you sell a one way/non return trip to the moon ethically? Easier to do it with Mars.


If it's a permanent colony, then the return trip is not required in either case. It boils down to whether or not it is ethical to send consenting people to a place from which they can't possibly return.

Pretty much like the early settlers who came to the US - it was a one-way trip for them, and they knew it. The difference is that they could potentially live off the land, whereas the martians or moonies won't have the potential to do so.

In the case of Mars, it's a bit worse, because the moon is always close enough to launch a resupply mission, whereas Mars can be on the other side of the sun from us - effectively out of range for any meaningful emergency resupply mission.
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Re: Corporation Plans 2023 Reality TV Mars Mission

Postby culhag » Thu Jun 28, 2012 8:18 am

Why Mars and not the Moon ?

1- Humans have already been on the Moon, not on Mars.
Even tough it would still be a technological tour de force to send people to the Moon, the general public probably wouldn't find it impressive.

2- There isn't much scientific interest in returning to the Moon.

3- It's easier to sustain a permanent base on Mars than on the Moon.
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Re: Corporation Plans 2023 Reality TV Mars Mission

Postby Ironshield » Thu Jun 28, 2012 8:26 am

culhag wrote:Why Mars and not the Moon ?

1- Humans have already been on the Moon, not on Mars.
Even tough it would still be a technological tour de force to send people to the Moon, the general public probably wouldn't find it impressive.

2- There isn't much scientific interest in returning to the Moon.

3- It's easier to sustain a permanent base on Mars than on the Moon.

I agree with 1 and 2, but I would disagree on 3. Sure don't have a vacuum to contend with on Mars, but you do have (extreme) weather, which is likely worse due to unpredictability. We (humanity) know how to sustain a base in vacuum almost indefinitely (space stations) and resupply to the moon would be exponentially easier than Mars. Not to mention getting / sending things back much easier from a shallower gravity well.
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Re: Corporation Plans 2023 Reality TV Mars Mission

Postby culhag » Thu Jun 28, 2012 8:38 am

Yes it's easier to send supplies to the Moon, but I'm talking about a completely autonomous base here.
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Re: Corporation Plans 2023 Reality TV Mars Mission

Postby Brekkie » Thu Jun 28, 2012 3:51 pm

Ironshield wrote:
culhag wrote:Why Mars and not the Moon ?

1- Humans have already been on the Moon, not on Mars.
Even tough it would still be a technological tour de force to send people to the Moon, the general public probably wouldn't find it impressive.

2- There isn't much scientific interest in returning to the Moon.

3- It's easier to sustain a permanent base on Mars than on the Moon.

I agree with 1 and 2, but I would disagree on 3. Sure don't have a vacuum to contend with on Mars, but you do have (extreme) weather, which is likely worse due to unpredictability. We (humanity) know how to sustain a base in vacuum almost indefinitely (space stations) and resupply to the moon would be exponentially easier than Mars. Not to mention getting / sending things back much easier from a shallower gravity well.


What? No. Wind speeds may reach high levels, but because the atmosphere is so thin, the actual effect would feel similar to a light breeze on Earth.
Unless you were talking about Solar weather, in which case that's not a big deal either because the light travels faster than the particles, allowing enough warning to retreat to shelters.
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