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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby Passionario » Tue Jun 26, 2012 6:23 am

I have to admit that I like the new Control ending.
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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby Sagara » Tue Jun 26, 2012 6:25 am

*hazmat helm pops off*

Okay, went in there, apparently damage isn't as extended as I feared.

I do have one forewarning that is not *that* spoilery:
Keep the extra option for AFTER you tried at least one other. Anyone that tried it first currently looks like a schrieking horror trying to devour forums in their negative space. Those that didn't seem much more peaceful, although some present similar signs, at a much reduced degree.
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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby Klaudandus » Tue Jun 26, 2012 9:04 am

I'm spoiling myself on youtube...

As I see the endings, my question is... why couldn't they have done this from the beginning?
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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby aureon » Tue Jun 26, 2012 9:17 am

It being free, and me not wanting anything to deal with origin ever again under any circumstance, i do believe this is appropriate:
http://skidrowcrack.com/mass-effect-3-extended-cut/
as an alternative download.
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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby Klaudandus » Tue Jun 26, 2012 9:24 am

I know I said it already, but am I the only one that feels Refusal being a passive-aggresive "take that" to the fans that complained about the game?
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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby Flex » Tue Jun 26, 2012 6:19 pm

Passionario wrote:I have to admit that I like the new Control ending.


Peace with the barrel of a gun pointed down at you isn't all that appealing to me.
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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby Sagara » Tue Jun 26, 2012 11:26 pm

Flex wrote:
Passionario wrote:I have to admit that I like the new Control ending.


Peace with the barrel of a gun pointed down at you isn't all that appealing to me.


True, but we're talking about acceptable ending in a story-line sense, not palatable in a moral sense.
I watched by wife finish the EC yesterday evening, and all four propositions were intrinsicly flawed in their own uniques ways, and the decision was hard to make.

The good thing was, unline the original where none of them were even worthy of consideration, all three were handled so that you considered them on their own footing, not because "Starchild said so". Also, the increased interaction made the Starchild makes him look all the more flawed, and it was GOOD - you realise you are looking at the "face" of the Reaper, which has a reasonable, if flawed argument to make. He knows his option is flawed, and he knows he's beaten, so he tries to help you make sense of what comes next, because he was born to solve the same problem you are facing.

For the same reason you stated, I was completely against Control - One does not protect the Many. One's biais will always color its decision, and is tantamount to tyranny, even if it is benevolent.
In the end, we chose Destroy. It's harsh on the Geth and EDI, but, like it was stated, Synthesis cannot be forced, and throwing a giant DNA-altering pulse "because Shep is stronger than the Reapers" is as forced as you can get. War is the expression of conflicting thoughts, but so is debate. Even if it is less violent, it is not better to force a solution down everyone's throats. Conflict must sadly continue, hopefully in a more metaphorical, debate-kind of way, until Synthesis comes on its own.

Starchild lost and eventually rejected the hope of synthetics and organics to live peacefully, and that's his weakness here. He and the Reapers should be flushed out, as they are the very symbol of this constant war. From there, hopefully, the next generation will welcome its own creations not as slaves, but as children worthy of their own lives, that will some day help us just as we helped them be.
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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby Passionario » Wed Jun 27, 2012 12:12 am

Flex wrote:
Passionario wrote:I have to admit that I like the new Control ending.


Peace with the barrel of a gun pointed down at you isn't all that appealing to me.


Is there any other kind of peace in Mass Effect universe?

Throughout the entire trilogy, Shepard puts an end to many vicious, stupid conflicts either by pointing a gun at people (Renegade) or by reminding them that there's a Reaper-sized gun pointed at them (Paragon).

(Or maybe I'm just biased because God Emperor of Dune is still one of my favorite books ever)
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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby Flex » Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:47 am

Passionario wrote:
Flex wrote:
Passionario wrote:I have to admit that I like the new Control ending.


Peace with the barrel of a gun pointed down at you isn't all that appealing to me.


Is there any other kind of peace in Mass Effect universe?


The Destroy ending gives hope to that end. The synthesis ending is a post trigger pull peace.

Just in the Control ending there is no Lucious Fox for Batman to give control of the phone-sonar to.
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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby Klaudandus » Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:32 am

destroy, refusal, control, synthesis... i like them in that order....even if i killed joker's sexbot and a race of lampheads as a result. in fact, i hate control and synthesis...
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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby Sagara » Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:57 am

I LIKED the concept of synthesis, but the method was abhorrent. Is there truly a difference between both results?
Ask C18 her thoughts on THAT.

Destroy, Synthesis, Refusal, Control, on my own moral compass.
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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby Flex » Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:15 am

To me the only fundamental difference between control and synthesis is green eyes.
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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby Sagara » Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:51 am

Flex wrote:To me the only fundamental difference between control and synthesis is green eyes.


Technically, considering the fate of the defeated, Refusal is fairly similar, with solient gray instead of green eyes.
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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby sahiel » Wed Jun 27, 2012 7:03 pm

My renegade, ruthless but ultimately (mostly) 'good guy' femshep choose Destroy as the only viable option for her, her job was to stop the reapers, if sacrifices had to be made, terrible, painful sacrifices... so be it, she was willing to bear the burden and make the call knowing it almost certainly meant the death of herself and her friends, let alone the Geth who trusted her.

My complete asshole douche Cerberus fan shep picked control, he was a prick.

My paragon, 'save ALL the people!' shep I still can't decide what to pick >.<
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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby Passionario » Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:38 pm

Interesting. Apparently, there are different versions of Control for Paragons and Renegades. And different versions of Destroy for high/low EMS.
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