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Postby Skye1013 » Wed Jun 06, 2012 6:47 pm

Ok, so I'm bored and have mostly decided I don't like Obama or Romney...

What do people think about Gov. Gary Johnson (the Libertarian candidate)?

I just started reading up on him, since I'd only heard of him last night (watching The Daily Show) but the first article on his website has him supporting the legalization of marijuana...
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Re: Election 2012

Postby Skye1013 » Wed Jun 06, 2012 7:53 pm

Ok, so I've been reading up on his stances for each issue, and I like which side he's on for about 90% of them... the question is, does he have plans in place to get them enacted...

Oh, the website I've been reading, in case anyone wants to see where I'm getting the info from:

http://www.garyjohnson2012.com/issues
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Re: Election 2012

Postby Fivelives » Thu Jun 07, 2012 1:47 am

Unless we drastically overhaul the election process and make it more than a 2 party race (all parties are technically welcome to run, but let's be serious here), casting a vote for anything but a republican or democrat is essentially "wasting" it. And no, I'm not getting into what I think would be a good overhaul of the system here.

On years where I don't like either the democrat or republican, I write in votes for something silly. Last time it was Quetzalcoatl, and I think this year I'll be writing in a vote for Mr. Hankey the Christmas Poo.
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Re: Election 2012

Postby Passionario » Thu Jun 07, 2012 3:56 am

Election 2012


[Spoiler] Vladimir Putin wins. [/Spoiler]
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Re: Election 2012

Postby Treck » Thu Jun 07, 2012 4:13 am

I like obama, I think he is a great face for America for the rest of the world.
Also, I've yet to see a candidate that doesnt look and sound batshit crazy.
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Re: Election 2012

Postby Sagara » Thu Jun 07, 2012 4:17 am

Passionario wrote:
Election 2012


[Spoiler] Vladimir Putin wins. [/Spoiler]


[Belgian Spoiler] NVA makes a breaktrough, PS remains stable. [/Spoiler]

On a more serious note, the U.S. SERIOUSLY needs a system overhaul, nothing good can come out of a system where it's either A or B, else FU.

Seen from the outside, Obama looks like a very good PotUS, but one part of one's duties does not a President make, and I'm not sure how he's handling your national hot-topics, as they don't get a lot of press outside the U.S oustide of the gay marriage thingie, but that's more because gay marriage is still a buzzword.
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Re: Election 2012

Postby Invisusira » Thu Jun 07, 2012 4:24 am

Skye1013 wrote:Ok, so I'm bored and have mostly decided I don't like Obama or Romney...

What do people think about Gov. Gary Johnson (the Libertarian candidate)?

Whenever someone talks about this kind of stuff, all I can think of is that episode of the Simpsons where the two aliens take over and run for president against each other.

"We can still vote for a third party!"

"Go ahead. Throw your vote away."
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Re: Election 2012

Postby KysenMurrin » Thu Jun 07, 2012 4:46 am

I guess the only real route to change is third party candidates making waves on the state and district levels and building from that, rather than going directly for change in the white house. But the system, and the fact that the two current parties are so big and so visible that it makes it look like there's no point trying to go against them, make it unlikely to happen on a large enough scale.
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Re: Election 2012

Postby JoeBravo » Thu Jun 07, 2012 5:16 am

The Netherlands seems to be on the other end of the scale: there are so many parties now it takes 3-5 of them to even get a majority in parlement.
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But the US elections strike me to be a choice for the lesser of 2 evils. (nevertheless, a choice for the lesser of 10+ evils isn't a huge improvement)
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Re: Election 2012

Postby Fridmarr » Thu Jun 07, 2012 5:56 am

I think too big of a deal is made about throwaway votes when someone votes for a third party. Unless you live in a swing state, your state's outcome is nearly a foregone conclusion so even a vote for Obama or Romney is still really a throwaway vote there.

Skye1013, I don't know too much about him really, but if he aligns with your views better than the others, then go for it.
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Re: Election 2012

Postby Arnock » Thu Jun 07, 2012 3:37 pm

Well, One might wonder what might have happened if, in the 2000 election, the 130,000 votes that went to third parties in Florida had gone to either Bush or Gore. 3000 people voted for "other," while the election was decided by 537 votes.
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Re: Election 2012

Postby fuzzygeek » Thu Jun 07, 2012 3:49 pm

Voting systems. Bork bork bork. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7tWHJfhiyo
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Re: Election 2012

Postby Skye1013 » Thu Jun 07, 2012 4:29 pm

Invisusira wrote:
Skye1013 wrote:Ok, so I'm bored and have mostly decided I don't like Obama or Romney...

What do people think about Gov. Gary Johnson (the Libertarian candidate)?

Whenever someone talks about this kind of stuff, all I can think of is that episode of the Simpsons where the two aliens take over and run for president against each other.

"We can still vote for a third party!"

"Go ahead. Throw your vote away."

It may be a throw away vote, but I'm fairly assured that Texas is a long ways away from ever being a "blue" state, so my vote won't mean much anyway. Voting for a third party at least lets me say "I voted, but didn't choose the current president, so I have a right to complain." Even if being in the military limits some of that right (though I don't know that'll be for too much longer anyhow.)

Fivelives wrote:Unless we drastically overhaul the election process and make it more than a 2 party race (all parties are technically welcome to run, but let's be serious here), casting a vote for anything but a republican or democrat is essentially "wasting" it.

The more people that "waste" their vote on someone else, the more likely it is that others will see the system is broken, or heck, might even take a chance the next election because the number is growing, and "this year just might be the year..."

For anyone that doesn't even take the time for a write in vote (even if it's a made up person/creature/place/whatever), I don't think they really have much room to complain about the system.
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Re: Election 2012

Postby Amirya » Thu Jun 07, 2012 6:07 pm

Skye1013 wrote:The more people that "waste" their vote on someone else, the more likely it is that others will see the system is broken, or heck, might even take a chance the next election because the number is growing, and "this year just might be the year..."

For anyone that doesn't even take the time for a write in vote (even if it's a made up person/creature/place/whatever), I don't think they really have much room to complain about the system.

If it helps, while I refuse to vote, I don't complain about it, I just have no faith that it even works.
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Re: Election 2012

Postby Koatanga » Thu Jun 07, 2012 6:12 pm

Skye1013 wrote:The more people that "waste" their vote on someone else, the more likely it is that others will see the system is broken, or heck, might even take a chance the next election because the number is growing, and "this year just might be the year..."

For anyone that doesn't even take the time for a write in vote (even if it's a made up person/creature/place/whatever), I don't think they really have much room to complain about the system.

I think you're jousting at the wrong windmill, though. Even if there was a third-party president, he wouldn't have the ability to change anything without the cooperation of Congress, which he'd never have.

Change needs to start in Congress. That's where you should be voting for third-party candidates.
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