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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Schroom » Mon May 28, 2012 11:42 pm

Most of the dangerous damage in Dragon Soul isn't blockable, which would tend to favor the armor meta (example: Impale)




euhm sorry but, as far as I know Impale ignores armor....
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby theckhd » Tue May 29, 2012 5:24 am

Schroom wrote:
Most of the dangerous damage in Dragon Soul isn't blockable, which would tend to favor the armor meta (example: Impale)

euhm sorry but, as far as I know Impale ignores armor....


Looks like you're correct. The base damage is only 1.2M on heroic. For some reason I was under the impression that it did, and that the base damage was ~2.5M.

So Impale doesn't favor any meta in particular, I guess.
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What to do after being CTC capped

Postby trebla57 » Wed May 30, 2012 5:44 pm

I tried posting earliar but I guess I did it in the wrong place and it was taken down. So here I am...

Anyway, I have a CTC capped pally tank and was wondering if I am doing the right thing by taking out my former Mastery/Stamina gems and replacing them with all pure stam gems. Those slots where all blue and I decided before CTC cap that putting in Mastery/Stamina gems was the way to go, but once I started getting gear to get me CTC capped I had to loose some mastery. I figured taking those green gems out and replacing them with full Stamina gems was the best solution at the time. Generally I don't gem for dodge, neither do I take dodge trinkets, because of diminishing returns. I feel that taking extra dodge where you could have got something else like stam or mastery is just worth more point for point because of diminishing returns on dodge and parry.

Also, I just got a new piece, the 397 glove tier piece for a pally tank. My last pair of gloves had a blue socket so I just put a 101 stamina gem in that socket but now the slot is yellow, put a blue gem in there anyway and was wondering what you guys thought about that. Here is my character:

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/s ... e/advanced

Another reason why I decided to take stam over dodge or parry for that matter is because dodge and parry don't help to mitigate magic damage, but stam does help, a small amount at least.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Baneslayer » Wed May 30, 2012 5:59 pm

Hmm so tier 13 shoulders (lvl 397) versus heroic Brackenshell Shoulderplates (lvl 410) for stacking stamina for heroics?
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Shoju » Thu May 31, 2012 9:07 am

Baneslayer wrote:Hmm so tier 13 shoulders (lvl 397) versus heroic Brackenshell Shoulderplates (lvl 410) for stacking stamina for heroics?


If you can stay block capped, and maintain your 4pc while wearing Brackenshell the higher ilvl piece will *almost* always win out.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby RockyBalboa » Fri Jun 01, 2012 11:10 am

Hey guys, Im just coming back from taking a break after wrath. Built up a decent entry level set.

What would your next VP piece be in my position. Just starting DS N and trying to catch up on old raids. Thanks.

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/p ... boa/simple

I actually have Gavel of Peroth' arn as of writing this.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Worldie » Fri Jun 01, 2012 2:30 pm

It's all similar level of upgrades, but consider that the neck is BiS (there's no neck at all in DS), and cloak is almost-BiS (the cloak from Ryolith hc is still a very valid top alternative), while you can grab 2 rings in the LFR / DS normal.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby RockyBalboa » Fri Jun 01, 2012 2:52 pm

Thats great advice. Thanks very much. I can almost buy both, but not quite. Ill start with the neck.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Antaka » Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:49 am

Hello, i been away from game for some time and i wonder how should i start rebuilding my char for DS hc. my guild is killing 5 hc per week so we need to try for more :)

http://armorylite.com/eu/neptulon/antaka

i have in bags,

Resolve of undying (normal) http://www.wowhead.com/item=77201
Souldrinker (normal) http://www.wowhead.com/item=77193
iceward cloak (normal) http://www.wowhead.com/item=72854
mirror of broken images http://www.wowhead.com/item=68713
spidersilk spindle http://www.wowhead.com/item=68981
soulshifter vortex http://www.wowhead.com/item=77206
veil of lies http://www.wowhead.com/item=72900

suggestions are welcome. thanks.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby benebarba » Tue Jun 05, 2012 9:15 am

Antaka wrote:Hello, i been away from game for some time and i wonder how should i start rebuilding my char for DS hc. my guild is killing 5 hc per week so we need to try for more :)

http://armorylite.com/eu/neptulon/antaka

i have in bags,

Resolve of undying (normal) http://www.wowhead.com/item=77201
Souldrinker (normal) http://www.wowhead.com/item=77193
iceward cloak (normal) http://www.wowhead.com/item=72854
mirror of broken images http://www.wowhead.com/item=68713
spidersilk spindle http://www.wowhead.com/item=68981
soulshifter vortex http://www.wowhead.com/item=77206
veil of lies http://www.wowhead.com/item=72900

suggestions are welcome. thanks.


I chucked your character into Mr. Robot and think it did pretty well (your base gear is better than my own, but I have had to go through a similar process): http://www.askmrrobot.com/wow/gear/eu/neptulon/antaka

There's a few places where you'll actually want to reforge the defensive stats to mastery instead of the hit/exp, and reforge the largest of parry/dodge to mastery even if you may lose a bit of parry/dodge to diminishing returns as a result. That way you gain CTC from gear and can start gemming more stam. The gloves and cloak, for example. You'll also want to upgrade some of your gems if you can afford it - moving to the epic green mastery/stam gems in a few slots can allow you to stack stam elsewhere. Also, the wrath +40 stam bracer enchant is a nice one to get once you can get it without dropping below CTC.

do you use a feast of do you eat mastery food? I use the +90 mastery food (lavascale minestrone) even though it means I need to provide my own just because it is much better for CTC.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Antaka » Tue Jun 05, 2012 10:32 am

benebarba wrote:
Antaka wrote:Hello, i been away from game for some time and i wonder how should i start rebuilding my char for DS hc. my guild is killing 5 hc per week so we need to try for more :)

http://armorylite.com/eu/neptulon/antaka

i have in bags,

Resolve of undying (normal) http://www.wowhead.com/item=77201
Souldrinker (normal) http://www.wowhead.com/item=77193
iceward cloak (normal) http://www.wowhead.com/item=72854
mirror of broken images http://www.wowhead.com/item=68713
spidersilk spindle http://www.wowhead.com/item=68981
soulshifter vortex http://www.wowhead.com/item=77206
veil of lies http://www.wowhead.com/item=72900

suggestions are welcome. thanks.


I chucked your character into Mr. Robot and think it did pretty well (your base gear is better than my own, but I have had to go through a similar process): http://www.askmrrobot.com/wow/gear/eu/neptulon/antaka

There's a few places where you'll actually want to reforge the defensive stats to mastery instead of the hit/exp, and reforge the largest of parry/dodge to mastery even if you may lose a bit of parry/dodge to diminishing returns as a result. That way you gain CTC from gear and can start gemming more stam. The gloves and cloak, for example. You'll also want to upgrade some of your gems if you can afford it - moving to the epic green mastery/stam gems in a few slots can allow you to stack stam elsewhere. Also, the wrath +40 stam bracer enchant is a nice one to get once you can get it without dropping below CTC.

do you use a feast of do you eat mastery food? I use the +90 mastery food (lavascale minestrone) even though it means I need to provide my own just because it is much better for CTC.


hello, thanks for your help first of all.
and yeah i can afford epic gems, but whichone you suggest to change and change in to what?
i use feast or dodge food but i can fish for mastery if its needed
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby benebarba » Tue Jun 05, 2012 4:02 pm

Antaka wrote:hello, thanks for your help first of all.
and yeah i can afford epic gems, but whichone you suggest to change and change in to what?
i use feast or dodge food but i can fish for mastery if its needed


looks like you already optimized a bit since I last checked :D

I'd definitely go for the lavascale minestrone (+90 mastery and stam) food (you can set this in the options in ask mr. robot), since that means that you can dedicate more itemization to stamina. If you do that, then with the gear you had on in your armory when I checked a few minutes ago, you can put another solid ocean sapphire into your boots (or if you want drop 2 epic solid deepholm iolites in there). Either way, check to make sure that with the buffs you expect to have that you'll still be at or above 102.4% CTC (I have a little macro that I use to check this whenever I move stuff around).

I think the combo of indom pride and fire of the deep is a good one (I'll do it once I get indom pride), though you may find spidersilk spindle and the mirror of broken images good for certain fights. Soulshifter vortex I wouldn't bother with since the proc is actually useless for us since we want to be at 102.4% CTC at all times while buffed (except certain fights were it may be ok to drop below that, like ultraxion, but other trinkets will be more useful for those special cases).

Then comes the question of weapon. You have the heroic hand of morchok which is the winner between it and the normal souldrinker when it comes to combat table coverage (since souldrinker doesn't have secondary stats). But souldrinker provides some nice damage boosts and a healing proc - but as a result you'll have to modify your gemming strategy. I am not sure right off hand which is actually better for overall survivability... IIRC, it depends on what your healers have trouble with.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Antaka » Wed Jun 06, 2012 12:28 pm

benebarba wrote:
Antaka wrote:hello, thanks for your help first of all.
and yeah i can afford epic gems, but whichone you suggest to change and change in to what?
i use feast or dodge food but i can fish for mastery if its needed


looks like you already optimized a bit since I last checked :D

I'd definitely go for the lavascale minestrone (+90 mastery and stam) food (you can set this in the options in ask mr. robot), since that means that you can dedicate more itemization to stamina. If you do that, then with the gear you had on in your armory when I checked a few minutes ago, you can put another solid ocean sapphire into your boots (or if you want drop 2 epic solid deepholm iolites in there). Either way, check to make sure that with the buffs you expect to have that you'll still be at or above 102.4% CTC (I have a little macro that I use to check this whenever I move stuff around).

I think the combo of indom pride and fire of the deep is a good one (I'll do it once I get indom pride), though you may find spidersilk spindle and the mirror of broken images good for certain fights. Soulshifter vortex I wouldn't bother with since the proc is actually useless for us since we want to be at 102.4% CTC at all times while buffed (except certain fights were it may be ok to drop below that, like ultraxion, but other trinkets will be more useful for those special cases).

Then comes the question of weapon. You have the heroic hand of morchok which is the winner between it and the normal souldrinker when it comes to combat table coverage (since souldrinker doesn't have secondary stats). But souldrinker provides some nice damage boosts and a healing proc - but as a result you'll have to modify your gemming strategy. I am not sure right off hand which is actually better for overall survivability... IIRC, it depends on what your healers have trouble with.


hello, yeah i have checked the mrrobot and modified most of my gems in to stamina and change some reforges. i will have test chance the new changes soon :)
im just didnt touch the boots because i will change them soon also 1 more question how trustful is that mrrobot site for the suggestion about reforging and gemming?
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby benebarba » Wed Jun 06, 2012 3:04 pm

for me, mr. Robot did pretty well, IMO (I tend to also check it myself based on stuff in the theorycrafting forum and got help from folks here too). But for some specs/classes it doesn't work as well and there is always some room for variation on certain things (like I use landslide instead of windwalk on my weapon - but I just like hitting things hard every now and again)
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby minifreak88 » Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:39 pm

Alright, I hope no one laughs. I was derping on askmrrobot and this is what it told me to do. I think it's pretty cool and i'm still at avoidance cap without buffs (I'm just nit picky like that >.< i know i should probably reforge to some hit or something) but I still feel like i'm taking a lot of damage. is it just because of my health being so high or what? should i go back to some hybrid gems?

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/d ... e/advanced
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