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Re: Mockingjay (third book in Hunger Games)

Postby Arnock » Thu Apr 19, 2012 2:08 pm

Just finished the trilogy and... meh.


Again with the [spoilers]


So, again, I honestly did enjoy the first book. It wasn't amazing, but I wouldn't exactly call it terrible either. It was shallow and predictable, but it was an entertaining read, and the overall premise of the books was good enough to keep me interested. Granted, some of the predictability probably came from the fact that I had already seen the movie, but I wasn't terribly surprised by anything in the movie either.

It did kind of bother me how conveniently the author managed to keep Katniss from killing any other tribute outside of incidences of self-defense or mercy, but I suppose she was trying to keep the story at a pg-13 level for the eventual movie deal.


The second book was... decidedly mediocre. Though the idea of bringing everyone back to the games was rather unimaginative, they still made for an entertaining read, even if it felt like I was just re-reading the first book. The second book goes WAY beyond mere predictability. There's a difference between foreshadowing and then blatantly shoving things in the audiences face. Not so much chekov's guns as chekov's flashing neon signs.


The third book, on the other hand, wasn't very good. It seemed like the plot was nothing but, "kill off 90% of the characters" interspersed with <insert character here> recovering in a hostpital from an injury, psychotic breakdown, or (usually) both. Again, the 'surprise twist ending' came at no surprise at all. There isn't any logical character development that I could see, with most of the main characters being in various states of mental breakdown, and inexplicably getting better long enough to complete <plot device>.

I'd have to disagree with Nika's statement that the third book is where Katniss is constantly going back and forth between gale and peeta wondering, "Oh no, who should I choose!?!?!?" I noticed much more of that in the second book. In the third book, Kat just seems aloof and nasty towards both Gale and Peeta, and then just running to whoever is most convenient to comfort her when she has yet another breakdown, while the plot of the book itself just shoves one or the other more into prominence. In the end, there's not really even any true resolution to her indecision, just a one-sentence dismissal of the 'issue.'

As for Collins' writing style, maybe I've just grown overly used to Robert Jordan and G.R.R. Martin's style of recapping every minor event in a plot with almost excruciating detail, but the pacing of the books and the way seemingly large plot elements felt somewhat weird. Almost as if the author just didn't feel like writing something, and simply jumped into a new setting with barely a one-sentence summary of the intervening time. In the third book specifically, it bothered me how Collins' just glossed over the entire rebellion. The book started off with the rebels fighting a losing battle against seemingly overwhelming odds, and then they just happened to capture all of the districts without any explanation.


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TL;DR The first book is a short, entertaining read that I'd recommend picking up. The Second and third aren't nearly as good, and I'd only really recommend reading them if you absolutely HAVE to find out how the overall plot resolves itself.
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Re: Mockingjay (third book in Hunger Games)

Postby Nikachelle » Thu Apr 19, 2012 5:06 pm

Alright, two people have said now they felt there was less goo goo gah gah love stuff in the third book than I thought there was. My memory's pretty awful so I'll concede that point although it does remain an overall impression of mine from the last book that she's relatively weak compared to the first book - and a lot of that I attribute to the crummy love triangle.
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Re: Mockingjay (third book in Hunger Games)

Postby Arnock » Thu Apr 19, 2012 5:37 pm

She's definitely weaker, but I think it has more to do with the whole breaking down and crying and needing to be sedated after nearly anything happens thing.
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Re: Mockingjay (third book in Hunger Games)

Postby Fridmarr » Thu Apr 19, 2012 6:13 pm

Nikachelle wrote:Alright, two people have said now they felt there was less goo goo gah gah love stuff in the third book than I thought there was. My memory's pretty awful so I'll concede that point although it does remain an overall impression of mine from the last book that she's relatively weak compared to the first book - and a lot of that I attribute to the crummy love triangle.

She is weak, she's a terribly flawed hero by that point, which to me highlighted some of her earlier flaws that I hadn't picked up on.

For the romance stuff, there simply wasn't two choices available to her for 99.9% of the book.
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Re: Mockingjay (third book in Hunger Games)

Postby Mannstein » Tue Apr 24, 2012 4:06 am

Arnock wrote:She's definitely weaker, but I think it has more to do with the whole breaking down and crying and needing to be sedated after nearly anything happens thing.


That's what i like on the first book. She isn't a hero... Instead of the oh-so-perfect can't do/think anything moraly wrong normal HERO. We get a girl who is more concern with her/her family that with the conditions or the freedom whatever, or that she need to save peeta not because it's the RIGHT thing to do, but because she doesn't want to face her district if she don't.
That was refreshing, and one of the things that made me continue reading.

I finaly caved in and went to see the movie... It was ok.. nothing much... If i didn't read the book i would probably like it more, but i think they didn't quite get the different personality (in my point of View). The movie was more "Twilight" that the books.
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Re: Mockingjay (third book in Hunger Games)

Postby Fivelives » Tue Apr 24, 2012 6:39 am

Everyone's trying to hop on the Twilight bandwagon, and it's really fucking annoying. I honestly didn't think anything could be worse than Pottermania, then along comes Stephenie Meyer.

Fun story: I knew Stephenie Meyer before she was big. We randomly met in a 7-11 in Port Orchard, WA one night when she was buying some lotto scratchers for a friend's 18th birthday party. Had I known then what I know now, about her becoming a plague on literature and such a horrible, horrible author, I'd have probably done the world a favor and taken her out of existence then.

Except that she raised llamas. And they were adorable.
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Re: Mockingjay (third book in Hunger Games)

Postby Mannstein » Tue Apr 24, 2012 10:14 am

Fivelives wrote:Everyone's trying to hop on the Twilight bandwagon, and it's really fucking annoying. I honestly didn't think anything could be worse than Pottermania, then along comes Stephenie Meyer.


To be honest, i read the first book to see all the comotion... I still have nightmares... :p

(also read the first Potter to see why everyone was crazy... i should have learn then...)
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Re: Mockingjay (third book in Hunger Games)

Postby Barathorn » Wed Apr 25, 2012 3:11 am

I really don't get all the Potter hate. To me they bring young people [and old people] into our 'peer group' and show them it is ok to talk about Wizards and Dragons. This is a good thing.

The books aren't great works of fiction but they are entertaining and gave a lot of people who wouldn't normally even consider thinking about that genre an insight into another world which most of us here happen to frequent.

There isn't anything to hate about Potter other than wanting to say you hate it for effect. Dislike it by all means but at least acknowledge that in some way the life of nerds like most of us got a hell of a lot easier over the past 10 years because of the Potter franchise.

I also can't see why things that are basically teen love stories are considered in the same 'genre' as Potter when all they have in common is the 'young adult' tag. Potter, The Hunger Games and Twilight aren't anything like each other.
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Re: Mockingjay (third book in Hunger Games)

Postby Fivelives » Wed Apr 25, 2012 5:46 am

I actually have a valid reason to hate Rowling. A rather personal one at that.
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Re: Mockingjay (third book in Hunger Games)

Postby Skye1013 » Wed Apr 25, 2012 5:48 am

Having read the first book in the Twilight series, and all of the HP books, I definitely agree with Bara. I wouldn't go so far as to say that HP stands in the same league as LotR, but it is certainly light years in front of Twilight.

Also... my dad doesn't read as a general rule. He's read all 7 HP books. That's got to say something for them.

Pre-edit: Hating the author doesn't mean the books are shite.
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Re: Mockingjay (third book in Hunger Games)

Postby Fivelives » Wed Apr 25, 2012 5:54 am

My hatred for the Rowling goes far beyond what anyone could call "rational". I sincerely wish ill upon that ... festering pile of snot-covered shit.
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Re: Mockingjay (third book in Hunger Games)

Postby Skye1013 » Wed Apr 25, 2012 6:31 am

I imagine this is one of those personal things you aren't willing to share? Cause I'd love to know the story behind that statement...
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Re: Mockingjay (third book in Hunger Games)

Postby Fridmarr » Wed Apr 25, 2012 6:01 pm

But in a different thread :).
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Re: Mockingjay (third book in Hunger Games)

Postby Kelaan » Thu Apr 26, 2012 12:23 am

he "reaping rules" for the next hunger games just ruined it for me. I stopped reading, and have had 0 desire to pick it back up.

It's a shame, because for a teenage / young adult storyline, it had some things going for it.


I think that it's probably a good thing to get kids hooked early on dystopian science-fiction. ;) SOon, they'll be reading Blade Runner and Heinlein. :D


Sadly, I read the wikipedia plot summaries for THG long ago.... :( "Do not read the spoilers! Noooo! I can't help myself! Stop highlighting that! .... Sigh."
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Re: Mockingjay (third book in Hunger Games)

Postby Melathys » Sun Apr 29, 2012 3:47 pm

My wife is like that. She loves spoilers. Like Game of Thrones. I'd long ago read the first four books (and just recently finished Dance of Dragons). She's asking me what happens and so on. Then she started reading the books, and also reading over my shoulder to get spoilers from the fifth book. She also has spent hours at the game of thrones wiki.

I agree, terrible book or not, books > tv, and anything that gets kids to read instead of watch tv is commendable.

I swore I would never read Harry Potter, but my mom broke me down to read them, and I actually enjoyed them, go figure.
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