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Theck's MATLAB thread - Cataclysm/4.x

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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - Cataclysm/4.x

Postby tlitp » Tue Apr 17, 2012 11:10 pm

theckhd wrote:(...) it may be that our modeling of No'Kaled's proc is slightly off. Wowhead seems to indicate that each has its own proc spell, so it's possible that the proc rate is different for each version (iirc we never tested this).

It isn't, as far as I'm aware. It rolls twice for procs, one to determine if it is a proc or not, and another (conditional; assuming the first rolls out favorably) one to determine the specific damage effect.

Rhiannon wrote:Now that I look at the logs again it definitely looks like a proc rate issue, as I'm seeing a similar number of No'Kaled procs to Souldrinker procs in kills of similar lengths despite it supposedly having less than half the proc rate (25 axe procs vs 25 drain life procs in 4:01/4:02 Hagara kills, 43 axe procs vs 43 drain life procs in 4:53/4:39 Ultraxion kills).

I've looked at your logs too, there's nothing out of the ordinary. The sample sizes are nothing to brag about, we can't extract meaningful information from ~4m kills. If you find 1-2h to AFK-parse with NK, we'd be able to check its' proc chance.
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - Cataclysm/4.x

Postby Rhiannon » Wed Apr 18, 2012 3:51 am

I'm trying to remember exactly what the hotfixes to Souldrinker and Gurth actually changed. The blue post is somewhat ambiguous:

http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/2153 ... than-dwtr/

"The specific bug was that paladins running Seal of Truth had two chances with every swing to trigger the proc with Gurthalak or Souldrinker. They now have one chance. "

This implies that seal of truth direct damage hits were proccing it, and don't any more, which is what actually happened from what I recall.

"Retribution was getting more than twice as many proc chances than we intended. This was caused by the application of Censure, not the dot itself ticking. "

This implies that hidden censure applications were proccing it. Unless I'm completely mistaken and they've got rid of those hidden censure applications with every attack, or rolled them into seal of truth hits?

Looking at how the sim handles it (though I'm mostly guessing what's going on), you're modelling SotR, CS, HotR, AS and auto-attack as being able to proc the weapons, but not seal of truth hits or judgement hits, correct? If my interpretation is correct then seeing two No'Kaled procs from one auto-attack and seal of truth hit would be sufficient to show that No'Kaled is behaving differently from Souldrinker? I've seen that twice so far while running a log on the dummy at least. I guess to be sure of the difference in behaviour I need to run a log of No'Kaled with just auto-attacks (no seal) and Souldrinker auto-attacks both with and without seal.

Log 1: No'Kaled 416 (2.6 speed) vs boss level dummy, attacking from behind with >8% hit, 26 expertise, no haste effects from gear or talents. 202 procs from 1393 melee swings (and 1392 seal of truth hits).

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[11:30:46.715] Rhia hits Raider's Training Dummy 2899
[11:30:46.715] Rhia Seal of Truth Raider's Training Dummy 668
[11:30:46.898] Rhia Censure Raider's Training Dummy 1731
[11:30:47.599] Rhia Flameblast Raider's Training Dummy 9560
[11:30:47.599] Rhia Flameblast Raider's Training Dummy 9909

[11:31:41.379] Rhia hits Raider's Training Dummy 2127
[11:31:41.824] Rhia Seal of Truth Raider's Training Dummy 755
[11:31:42.419] Rhia Shadowblast Raider's Training Dummy 10669
[11:31:42.419] Rhia Shadowblast Raider's Training Dummy 12412

[11:36:19.873] Rhia hits Raider's Training Dummy 2641
[11:36:20.009] Rhia Seal of Truth Raider's Training Dummy 681
[11:36:20.708] Rhia Flameblast Raider's Training Dummy 10951
[11:36:20.708] Rhia Shadowblast Raider's Training Dummy 10264

etc.
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - Cataclysm/4.x

Postby tlitp » Wed Apr 18, 2012 4:37 am

Look no further than the diff between r363/r366. Before the hotfix there were up to twice as many procs (depending on hit/exp; at 0% physical hit and 10 exp, for instance, AS triggered roughly 1.6 procs on average). The direct-damage component of SoT (the seal itself) wasn't the parasitic trigger, the application of Censure was.

Use a low-level dummy for 1h+, with AA+SoT, to check both the triggers and the proc chance of NK.

EDIT : alright, that snippet is fairly conclusive. Censure's applications still trigger NK. Silly Blizzard is silly. :P

SECOND EDIT : while at it, use a few J (with SoI) to see if it now triggers SD/NK. It didn't use to, back then.
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - Cataclysm/4.x

Postby Rhiannon » Wed Apr 18, 2012 4:59 am

No NK procs from 58 judgements (with SoI)

Half an hour of auto attack only with NK though I guess it doesn't really show anything new. 46 procs from 690 auto-attacks.
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - Cataclysm/4.x

Postby theckhd » Mon Aug 27, 2012 5:09 pm

Locking thread. Goodbye 4.x, hello 5.x.
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