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Mockingjay (third book in Hunger Games)

Postby Thalia » Tue Aug 17, 2010 1:27 pm

So who is excited about the release?

I'm on the edge can't wait to buy the book and read it up~

I read Hunger Games and Catching Fire in less then a week...woot I'm so excited.
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Re: Mockingjay (third book in Hunger Games)

Postby Gorlando » Fri Aug 27, 2010 3:53 pm

I read it. It was awesome.





SPOILER




























I totally predicted Katniss would kill Coin, too.














/SPOILER
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Re: Mockingjay (third book in Hunger Games)

Postby Thalia » Sun Aug 29, 2010 9:09 am

Man this book made me cry! Such a great book.

Lionsgate bought the rights to the trilogy and start filming Hunger Games next year. I hope they don't mess up the movie, and I sure as hell hope they don't pick a horrible/no-talent actress like Kristen Stewart to play Katniss Everdeen...or a kid with a Just Bieber haircut to play Peeta Mellark.

Whoever plays Katniss needs to be able to bring the crazy and strength.
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Re: Mockingjay (third book in Hunger Games)

Postby Gorlando » Sun Aug 29, 2010 8:13 pm

Yeah, the role of Katniss certainly won't be easy. Hopefully the storyline won't be completely butchered. *coughLightningThiefcoughcough*
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Re: Mockingjay (third book in Hunger Games)

Postby thegreatheed » Tue Aug 31, 2010 11:44 am

WILL INCLUDE SPOILERS









I was very unsatisfied with this book. Katniss's character didn't evolve in this book. In the first two she overcame her obstacles with dignity, and even compassion and humanity. In Mockingjay, she acted like the little girl she never was in the previous books, entirely too moody, entirely too withdrawn, entirely too childish.

For way too much of the third book Katniss was just running on autopilot and not taking charge of her own situation. I thought she really didn't put any growth into Katniss in this book, and really missed a large opportunity to make her character grow. Katniss was the ultimate survivalist, she could've developed into a more mature adult by facing challenges well. But instead she just barely endured this book, and didn't grow or mature at all. In the first book she showed some real character by how she helped Rue, and also in saving Peeta. In the 2nd, her resolve to save Peeta again, and protect Beetee and the other tributes was also noteworthy. But in the 3rd, she barely agrees to be the Mockingjay, shrugs her responsibilities at every possible change, and hides in closets whenever something is happening. She barely shows enough resolve to be a part of the offensive against the capital, and just doesn't seem like the rugged independent survivor she was in the first 2.

Also, I'm not sure what social commentary the author is trying to make. One major theme seems to be the depravity of humanity, but also has the rebellion showing mercy to the people of district 2. Then President Coin kills (probably, the book never says for sure) tons of Capitol children, and also briefly, some of the rebellion talk of starting a free democratic republic after they vanquish the Capital. Katniss is against killing the citizens of District 2 who work in the defense facility for the Capitol, yet she votes for a last Hunger Games with the Capitol's children. The book just never seemed to resolve itself properly and end it's moral conflicts.

Also Katniss never chose between Gale and Peeta. She just accepts fate. She doesn't choose who she wants to be with, she just accepts who's there in the end. This is another major plotline in the book that just withers, and never resolves properly. I am just baffled at the ambiguity of this last book, the reluctance to resolve any of the major plotlines, except for the rebellion vs the Capitol. The political struggle was a major plotline, but not the soul of the series. That she chose to only resolve this, and nothing else, totally astounds me.
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Re: Mockingjay (third book in Hunger Games)

Postby Thalia » Tue Aug 31, 2010 12:07 pm

thegreatheed wrote:WILL INCLUDE SPOILERS


Also Katniss never chose between Gale and Peeta. She just accepts fate. She doesn't choose who she wants to be with, she just accepts who's there in the end. This is another major plotline in the book that just withers, and never resolves properly. I am just baffled at the ambiguity of this last book, the reluctance to resolve any of the major plotlines, except for the rebellion vs the Capitol. The political struggle was a major plotline, but not the soul of the series. That she chose to only resolve this, and nothing else, totally astounds me.


Oh no she definitely made a choice. She did not pursue Gale, throughout the whole series she pursued Peeta even when he was taken away to the capitol, she fought for him. In the end she hated Gale and chose not to follow him even though he was very accessible in the cushy job he got in Section 2..or 8.

Remember that Gale and Betee discussed the traps/tactics of using children to lure enemies, and then using bombs. Well even though she is never quite sure weather Gale helped make those bombs, she is sure he gave them the idea to use the children. Coin used that idea against the Capitol and at the same time against Katniss when she deliberately sent in her underage sister as a medic. So, because Gale was so blinded by hate, the plan he gave Coin was twisted and used against the girl he loved. Katniss could not get past the fact that it was Gale's idea that got her younger sister blown to bits in front of her. She chose not to follow him.
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Re: Mockingjay (third book in Hunger Games)

Postby thegreatheed » Tue Aug 31, 2010 12:33 pm

Thalia wrote:
thegreatheed wrote:WILL INCLUDE SPOILERS


Also Katniss never chose between Gale and Peeta. She just accepts fate. She doesn't choose who she wants to be with, she just accepts who's there in the end. This is another major plotline in the book that just withers, and never resolves properly. I am just baffled at the ambiguity of this last book, the reluctance to resolve any of the major plotlines, except for the rebellion vs the Capitol. The political struggle was a major plotline, but not the soul of the series. That she chose to only resolve this, and nothing else, totally astounds me.


Oh no she definitely made a choice. She did not pursue Gale, throughout the whole series she pursued Peeta even when he was taken away to the capitol, she fought for him. In the end she hated Gale and chose not to follow him even though he was very accessible in the cushy job he got in Section 2..or 8.

Remember that Gale and Betee discussed the traps/tactics of using children to lure enemies, and then using bombs. Well even though she is never quite sure weather Gale helped make those bombs, she is sure he gave them the idea to use the children. Coin used that idea against the Capitol and at the same time against Katniss when she deliberately sent in her underage sister as a medic. So, because Gale was so blinded by hate, the plan he gave Coin was twisted and used against the girl he loved. Katniss could not get past the fact that it was Gale's idea that got her younger sister blown to bits in front of her. She chose not to follow him.




She didn't follow Gale, but she didn't choose Peeta. During the book she did pursue Gale, she even kissed him, out of her own volition, something she never did for Peeta, because it was always on camera, and partly for the camera. Gale left her, that didn't have anything to do with Katniss' decisions. Peeta came back, that also had nothing to do with Katniss' decisions. She made no choice between the two, and if you include the totality of the book, was closer to Gale than Peeta throughout. Still, she never made the choice, she merely withdrew into her own shell of a world in the Victor's Circle in 12, and Peeta eventually came to her. She never CHOSE him. She barely made any of the hard choices in this book. She only chose to be mockingjay to reach her own vengeance, only chose to enlist in the rebellion because it was her only choice to continue the quest for vengeance. Many of her decisions in the first two books were noble and selfless, and by contrast, her main motivation in the third seems to be vengeance.
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Re: Mockingjay (third book in Hunger Games)

Postby Fivelives » Thu Sep 02, 2010 2:42 am

Excellent trilogy. I just devoured the whole thing today - Amazon had an awesome deal on the boxed set of all 3 in hardcover.
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Re: Mockingjay (third book in Hunger Games)

Postby Aubade » Thu Apr 12, 2012 8:23 pm

Well my GF let me borrow the book tuesday night. Tuesday night (around midnight) I started reading it. Finished it about 6 hours later. (seriously, didn't put the book down once, read it in 1 sitting.) After I groggied my ass at work all day wednesday, I went to see the movie.

uhhhh

book was pretty good. Very simply written which I wasn't a big fan of but hey, it's made for young adults, not adults so I'll give it that. The story was pretty compelling. Lots of back-story, lots of details, I liked it.

The movie......Notttt so much. I know some of you already mentioned the whole Rue thing, but What about her feelings about Peeta? Gale? In the movies you'd just think "Oh, well she loves Gale. Too bad Peeta. But that's not the truth...Idk, I feel that they would've added a LOT to the story if they just had her narrate the movie, like the book is. And DEAR LORD THE CAMERA DURING THE GAMES. That sucked big time. The rest of it was great though, I enjoyed it.

Gonna start reading the second book tomorrow, but I'm extremely confused about how they could have a 2nd book. I mean yeah......There's nothing left to do? Unless they go full-on rebellion style, which I support.
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Re: Mockingjay (third book in Hunger Games)

Postby Andurin » Thu Apr 12, 2012 11:09 pm

Went to watch the movie when it was released. Enjoyed it enough to get excited about the book. So we bought the first book the day after. And I finished that in little over a week (Wich is fast for me, really). Enjoyed it so much that I ordered book 2 and 3 aswell. And just last night I started in book 3 now. Enjoying the most of it :D And it makes me wonder if I should read Game of Thrones to...

Now i`m gonna jump over this topic till I finished the book lol
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Postby Aubade » Fri Apr 13, 2012 12:05 pm

A little off-topic but since you mentioned it. Game of Thrones is a MUCH longer read, but well worth it.
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Re: Mockingjay (third book in Hunger Games)

Postby Melathys » Fri Apr 13, 2012 4:20 pm

I haven't read these, but wanted to mention an observation I've had regarding young adult books vs adult books. It seems to me that with some authors (ie, George RR Martin, Robert Jordan, Richard Adams etc) tend to get caught up in the storytelling, that they sometimes forget to tell the story.

Don't get me wrong, Song of fire and ice, Wheel of time, Watership Down and Shardik are some of my all time favorite books, but sometimes its nice to read a book that doesn't take a few pages to set up the scene before getting to the meat of the story.

The hunger games books are on my reading list, but my wife wants me to read some of her favorite books first (Anita Blake books).
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Re: Mockingjay (third book in Hunger Games)

Postby Flex » Fri Apr 13, 2012 7:15 pm

Melathys wrote:The hunger games books are on my reading list, but my wife wants me to read some of her favorite books first (Anita Blake books).


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Re: Mockingjay (third book in Hunger Games)

Postby Melathys » Sat Apr 14, 2012 1:29 am

Yea, that's what I hear.

I had her read Shardik by Richard Adams which is my very favorite book, perhaps surpassed only but its prequel, Maia. Shardik is not easy reading, and I will admit it starts slow and can be tedious to read, but about halfway through, the story becomes riveting and I find it difficult to put down. Its one of those books that I'm sad when I finish it, because I would spend my day looking forward to picking it up and delving into that world at the end of the day.

So, my wife wanted to stop reading Shardik, but I made her finish it, and for that I must read some Anita Blake books, and I'm not much looking forward to it, but I'm reserving judgement until I actually read it.
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Re: Mockingjay (third book in Hunger Games)

Postby Brekkie » Sat Apr 14, 2012 8:34 pm

So I finally went and saw the Hunger Games movie.

-I don't know why everyone is complaining about shakey-cam. It wasn't really noticeable for me. The ONE scene where it really happened was the initial bloodbath when they are released into the arena, and even then I don't think I really would have been struck by it if I wasn't bracing myself to look for it based on all the negative comments I'd heard.

-I would have liked if they had interspersed more views of what the actual TV show was seeing. Some of the best scenes in the movie were when you saw audience reaction, like when Katniss Peace-Out's the camera and all the District 11 guys (including Rue's Dad, a nice touch) Peace-Out the screen back, or when Katniss and Peeta are having a "moment" in the cave, and it cuts to the control room and the big strong manly dude's facial expression is like DAWWWWWW. Those were the most interesting reactions for me, and I wish there was more of them. It sometimes was easy to forget that the entire thing was being broadcast because it was just endless scenes of kids running around in the woods.

-On a related note, I liked the themes emphasized by the rating of the Tributes and constantly changing betting-stakes on their success. And absolutely NOTHING was done with this in the movie. After all that set-up, of the training and the evaluations and how important the sponsors were and giving them ratings and earrings-black-dude talking about how he wished he could bet on katniss, they never once brought that back once the games began. I wanted to see Angry Gamblers when kids died, and odds bouncing up and down, and talking heads behind sports desks doing Madden-style strategic analysis. So much that could have done with this, and it was just wasted.

-To be quite honest, I hope the book's story was written a lot better than the movie, because what this story reminded me of the most was Twilight. And that is not a flattering comparison. You can always tell when it's a woman author writing for teenyboppers because you have these passive-ass, indecisive female characters that all these hawt men inexplicably love, but which they NEVER DECIDE BETWEEN because they are a freaking child and like the attention. I had such hopes for Katniss in the beginning as a strong, likeable female character, and then she bought into the stupid love narrative with Peeta.
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