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Re: The Plastic Army Guy Thread (40k and other TT Games)

Postby Treck » Mon Mar 26, 2012 12:58 pm

5-600$ for a decent army is pretty damn much imo for a small hobby, sure if you are going to play it for years to come, it for sure is going to be well worth it.
Then paint/spray, pencils, modification tools and books etc adds up to even more.
Its one of those hobbies you have to invest a bit in when you start, then if you keep at it its obviously going to be worthwhile.
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Re: The Plastic Army Guy Thread (40k and other TT Games)

Postby Senador » Mon Mar 26, 2012 2:08 pm

Well, costs are something like:

Rules (Core, Codex, etc) 50-70ish.

Each Infantry unit, is between 20 and 40. You can have up to six.

Most elite units can run about 5 per model, 10 for a champion, so about 55. You can have up to three.

Heavy Support , is usually between 40 and 60 depending on what you are using (Dreads are on the lower scale, high end tanks like Landraiders are on the upper). You can have up to three.

“Fast” units can run about 5 per model or 10 for a champion; OR 40-60 for the squad depending on if it’s individual units, or if it’s a squad of vehicles, like bikers. You can have up to three.

HQ units can be between 20 and 50 just by themselves, including retinue. You can have up to two.

If you are doing bare minimum of 2 Infantry and an HQ, sure it’ll be cheap (And by cheap, you’re looking about US$150 for rules, and units). But if you’re trying to put together your army, or want to do anything or change it up some (Use an extra elite, bring an extra Heavy Support, play around with Fast, etc) these all cost money, and a lot of it. Worse, is that some units to get a ‘full’ unit you may need multiple boxed sets. It can add up to a lot of money. US$500-600 is a lot to frontload for a hobby that isn’t even close to ready to play yet, since you are supposed to paint and mod them all (WYSIWYG) before they even are placed on the table. And it’s hard to justify ‘little’ purchases of US$40-50 to start with when you can’t come close to actually playing with them yet and all you’re doing is buying them to paint until some point in the future.

Worse, is when codex or core rules change completely redoing things with the game. Units that used to be terrible might suddenly become extremely potent, or vice versa nullifying all the work you had just done. Hell some armies might just be completely eliminated (Several Eldar craftworlds like Ulthwe or Biel Tan, some marine chapters or Chaos including the ever popular Iron Warriors, etc) meaning that your army doesn’t even exist anymore.
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Re: The Plastic Army Guy Thread (40k and other TT Games)

Postby Fivelives » Mon Mar 26, 2012 6:44 pm

Actually, you can get the boxed starter set for $90 and get 2 HQs and 4 troop choices, plus the core rulebook. Then another $50 for the two codexes (up to $60 actually - the books are $25 or $30, depending on the army).

If you don't want to get the starter set, you're looking at $70 for the core rulebook alone.
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Re: The Plastic Army Guy Thread (40k and other TT Games)

Postby sahiel » Tue Mar 27, 2012 10:43 am

I used to play both 40k a long while back, Imperial Guard represent! ;)

Luckily enough for me, I actually worked for GW at the time and in the UK we could order figures direct from the warehouse by weight rather than anything else. Needless to say, stored somewhere in my parents attic back in the UK are several thousand metal figures >.<

Don't know anyone atm who plays Warmachine or Hordes but both are fun games, currently I've been playing a ton of Malifaux. Like Warmahordes it's small scale, often 5-6 figures a side (though expandable up to 10-15) and has some really good rules (it uses a deck of cards instead of dice and has some very interesting and fun mechanics dealing with this) and great scenarios. Other than the rules you can get starter boxes with a hero and their minions (all you need to play the basic game, which is more than enough to start) for $40 or less usually.

http://www.malifaux.com/

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Re: The Plastic Army Guy Thread (40k and other TT Games)

Postby Fivelives » Tue Mar 27, 2012 2:34 pm

Malifaux looks interesting. I'll shop the idea around my gaming group.
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Re: The Plastic Army Guy Thread (40k and other TT Games)

Postby Kelaan » Tue Mar 27, 2012 2:48 pm

Totally off-topic, but that Malifaux website is AWESOME. The coloring-on-mouseover of images is super-simple, but looks awesome. The interactive map is neat too, even if I hunger for Moar Info.
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Re: The Plastic Army Guy Thread (40k and other TT Games)

Postby crazyharry » Thu Mar 29, 2012 6:13 am

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Re: The Plastic Army Guy Thread (40k and other TT Games)

Postby Mannstein » Fri Mar 30, 2012 9:11 am

Bretonnian Second edition 5k points -
My army was HUGE, was able to get Bretonnian knight at 1€ and bowmen @30cents each...
I remember showing up on a tornament and outshot a Wood Elf. 99archers :D
(i think it was after third edition)
We used to do 10/15k side battles that took most(10+hours) of the day...

Tyranids - (dunno which edition)- After pain(t) (spray black+spray whitewash) and glue for an excruciating 2hours... i found upon arriving at the store that 99% of my carnifex(5€each)+Hyve Tyrants had dismantled on the trip and that i didn't have the energy to put them together.
(I one in the few Tyranid players in the world that did more that 1 match and have a 100% Overwelming victories ration)

P.S. i only played twice with my nids :P
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Re: The Plastic Army Guy Thread (40k and other TT Games)

Postby Aubade » Fri Mar 30, 2012 2:13 pm

I had a friend back in high school that played Tyranid, went to tournaments ALL the time. Won a few of em actually! I kinda lived out my 40k days vicariously through him haha. Was always too broke to play myself. Lucky son of a bitch, both his parents were upper management at Boeing, so they'd buy him sets like every week.
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Re: The Plastic Army Guy Thread (40k and other TT Games)

Postby Arjuna » Mon Apr 02, 2012 3:37 am

Hmm, I took up 40k again about two years ago, last time before that I played was in the 90s. Still love my chaos though! :)

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Eagerly awaiting the new chaos codex for my Alpha Legion warband! :D


...heh, strangely enough nowadays I play/paint/model with 40k way more than I play any mmo(wow or swtor)!
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Re: The Plastic Army Guy Thread (40k and other TT Games)

Postby Passionario » Mon Apr 02, 2012 4:25 am

Out of curiosity, I've looked at some of the new rulebooks/Codices that were released since I've quit playing.

...I take back all the nasty things I've said about Alessio Cavatore's writing. Compared to Matt Ward, he's a saintly genius.
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Re: The Plastic Army Guy Thread (40k and other TT Games)

Postby Arjuna » Mon Apr 02, 2012 4:33 am

Ward actually writes decent and balanced rules...if only he wouldn't write the names of equipment and he seriously should be banned from writing background text...
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Re: The Plastic Army Guy Thread (40k and other TT Games)

Postby Fivelives » Mon Apr 02, 2012 12:39 pm

Matt Ward deserves a lynching for his fluff-writing. Seriously.

He's also responsible for the 5th edition Grey Knights codex, which earns him a "torture to death on sight" order. That's the single most broken thing I've ever seen in 19 years of playing 40k.
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Re: The Plastic Army Guy Thread (40k and other TT Games)

Postby sahiel » Mon Apr 02, 2012 12:54 pm

Fivelives wrote:Matt Ward deserves a lynching for his fluff-writing. Seriously.

He's also responsible for the 5th edition Grey Knights codex, which earns him a "torture to death on sight" order. That's the single most broken thing I've ever seen in 19 years of playing 40k.


^ This.

He turned Greyknights from righteous warriors driven by unflinching courage and an endless fight against corruption to psychotic chaos god punching, sororitas blood drenchened, magically uncorruptable Chuck Norris'... :(
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Re: The Plastic Army Guy Thread (40k and other TT Games)

Postby Arjuna » Wed Apr 04, 2012 2:00 am

The grey knights should NEVER have been a codex at all imho!!! Yeah, a thousand super-elite übermench psyker daemon-hunting awesomemarines...and you have around 30 of them at the same spot in an imperium of a billion billion planets...

...yeah, right...


I liked them better before they had their codex, as an allied squad of super-terminators...
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