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Re: Barebones vs. Scratch?

Postby Shyrtandros » Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:43 pm

Okay, so after this is the deal i've come up with. I took everyones suggestions and my own snooping and popped in a couple of the suggested upgrades thanks to "combo discounts" ect ect.

I think I threw together a better package with better upgrades than what has been recommended for cheaper prices than what's quoted.

I chose the XFX Radeon HD 6870 because they have a $20 Rebate & a $20 instant savings code making it only $149.99... if this is a bad choice I'll swap to a different one.

XFX Double D HD-687A-ZDFC Radeon HD 6870 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card with ...

Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 3000 ...

Corsair Carbide Series 500R Black Steel structure with molded ABS plastic accent pieces ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

CORSAIR Builder Series CX600 V2 600W ATX12V v2.3 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply

Intel BOXDZ68DB LGA 1155 Intel Z68 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9

Subtotal: $756.94 Shipping: $0.00
Discount from Promo Code XFX207 Promo Code: -$20.00
Grand Total: $736.94
Price AFTER Mail in Rebates: $681.94


I apologize if this Copy & Pasted poorly.

If I buy this I'll slap my 680G HDD for storage in it, my 120G SSD for gaming in it & drop my current DVD/R/W in it. My SSD already is running Win 7 Home Premium.

Please let me know if there is something I should change or add, as always your feedback is awesome.
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Re: Barebones vs. Scratch?

Postby Gab » Wed Feb 08, 2012 4:04 pm

Shyrtandros wrote:I chose the XFX Radeon HD 6870 because they have a $20 Rebate & a $20 instant savings code making it only $149.99... if this is a bad choice I'll swap to a different one.

XFX Double D HD-687A-ZDFC Radeon HD 6870 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card with ...

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I think you'll be happy with the 6870, it's a great card for the price especially at $150. And with a slew of new cards coming out in the near future I wouldn't want to spend $250 on a card that could potentially drop quite a bit in price.

The only thing you want to make sure of with that particular 6870 (it's a beast) is that it will fit in the case properly. I'm almost positive that your case will fit it just fine though; but ya know... CYA and all that.

As for the rest of the rig, looks great to me.

EDIT: It appears the Double D can run at up to 9 degrees celsius cooler under load than competitor cards due to the cooling system. Explains why the card is a bit bigger than other 6870s.
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Re: Barebones vs. Scratch?

Postby Talaii » Wed Feb 08, 2012 5:50 pm

Yeah, the huge cards usually have better coolers (which usually just means quieter; they can work the fans less). They are annoying if you want to crossfire, though; and they tend to move hot air around inside the case (whereas the reference "blower" coolers exhaust it directly out the back). Which again is only a big deal if you're trying to crossfire them.

And throw in a Coolermaster Hyper 212 plus for $25 if you're going to be overclocking. It's not the best heatsink available, but it's ridiculously cheap for how well it cools. Plus it bolts onto the motherboard rather than using pushpins. Which is a good thing, pushpins are a terrible, terrible mounting solution.

Apart from that, everything looks good. I hear some complaints about the intel boards, but I've had good experiences with them personally. And they actually have an intel network chip, which are much, much better than the realtek/atheros/broadcomm ones most motherboards have.
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Re: Barebones vs. Scratch?

Postby Fivelives » Wed Feb 08, 2012 9:18 pm

I hate mail-in rebates. They're bordering on being an outright scam, at least in my experience. So I don't count those in the final price - anything that actually WORKS, rebate-wise, is just a bonus movie ticket a couple months later when it finally arrives.

I would probably go extra-large on the case, if I were you. Try the Antec 900 - it's a pretty massive beast, with plenty of room to work inside, and it'll fit the largest of the large components inside. It's not SUPER-cheap, coming in at $100 (sans power supply, sadly) at Newegg, but it'll last you decades. DECADES.

Link: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6811129021 (you can probably find it elsewhere, I just generally do all of my shopping through Newegg, personally)
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Re: Barebones vs. Scratch?

Postby Shyrtandros » Wed Feb 08, 2012 9:43 pm

Alright, I couldn't handle waiting anymore.. the upgrade bug bit me HARD... Here's my order..hope I didn't screw up anything.
I dropped in the recommended Cooler Master & a Wrist Strap.. yeah I've played with PC guts w/o one before but for $6 I'd rather be safe than deal with sending a component.

1 x ($229.99) Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 3000 BX80623I52500K $229.99

1 x ($189.99) XFX Double D HD-687A-ZDFC Radeon HD 6870 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card with Eyefinity $189.99

1 x ($139.99) Corsair Carbide Series 500R Black Steel structure with molded ABS plastic accent pieces ATX Mid Tower Computer Case $139.99

1 x ($114.99) Intel BOXDZ68DB LGA 1155 Intel Z68 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard $114.99

1 x ($69.99) CORSAIR Builder Series CX600 V2 600W ATX12V v2.3 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply $69.99

1 x ($49.99) CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9 $49.99

1 x ($34.99) COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 EVO RR-212E-20PK-R2 Continuous Direct Contact 120mm Sleeve CPU Cooler Compatible with latest Intel 2011/1366/1155 and AMD FM1/AM3+ $34.99

1 x ($6.99) Kingwin ATS-W24 Anti-Static Wrist Strap w/ Grounding Wire $6.99

1 x ($-13.00) DISCOUNT FOR COMBO #820299$-13.00

1 x ($-20.00) DISCOUNT FOR PROMOTION CODE$-20.00

1 x ($-25.00) DISCOUNT FOR COMBO #819716$-25.00
Subtotal: $778.92
Tax: $0.00
Shipping and Handling: $3.87
Rush Order: $2.99
Total Amount: $785.78
Mail In Rebates: $55.00


I feel like I did a good job.. I hope.
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Re: Barebones vs. Scratch?

Postby Kelaan » Thu Feb 09, 2012 10:44 am

Shyrtandros wrote:Intel Core i5-2500K
XFX ... Radeon HD 6870
600W Power Supply
(2 x 4GB)

I feel like I did a good job.. I hope.


For under $800, it certainly looks good! :D Nice job! Good choice on the video card brand, too, I've heard good stuff about XFX's warranties.
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Re: Barebones vs. Scratch?

Postby Shyrtandros » Thu Feb 09, 2012 11:56 am

Kelaan wrote:
Shyrtandros wrote:Intel Core i5-2500K
XFX ... Radeon HD 6870
600W Power Supply
(2 x 4GB)

I feel like I did a good job.. I hope.


For under $800, it certainly looks good! :D Nice job! Good choice on the video card brand, too, I've heard good stuff about XFX's warranties.


Needing to use their warranty worries me more than the quality of their warranties.. :|
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Re: Barebones vs. Scratch?

Postby Fivelives » Thu Feb 09, 2012 3:12 pm

XFX is good quality. I also like Sapphire and (to a lesser extent - since customer service is a BITCH to deal with) HIS.
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Re: Barebones vs. Scratch?

Postby Kelaan » Thu Feb 09, 2012 5:28 pm

What I meant was, I'd heard stories about things like RMAs within a year, no questions asked, and generally good customer service during the process. I've never bought one, but I've been happy both with ASUS and Sapphire cards too. I just meant that it looked like it was a good choice on your part :D
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Re: Barebones vs. Scratch?

Postby Shyrtandros » Fri Feb 10, 2012 8:12 am

Ordered Graphics Card because it looked cool and was on sale...
Turned out to be good choice.
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Re: Barebones vs. Scratch?

Postby Shyrtandros » Mon Feb 13, 2012 3:44 pm

So now that you've got all the specs on the PC i'll have built within the next day or two..

Should I overclock and if so will it be worth it? (I only play SWTOR & rarely WoW).

Thanks.
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Re: Barebones vs. Scratch?

Postby Gab » Tue Feb 14, 2012 9:25 am

Shyrtandros wrote:So now that you've got all the specs on the PC i'll have built within the next day or two..

Should I overclock and if so will it be worth it? (I only play SWTOR & rarely WoW).

Thanks.


If you do overclock, it would most definitely increase performance, I suggest OCing the video card. As the processor and RAM should be more than enough to handle SW:TOR at the highest settings. If you do OC the card make sure and monitor your temps closely for the first few days. It might also be wise to put an exhaust case fan near the card to get the hot air out of the case.

The Video card should come with the appropriate tools for OCing although I have heard MSI afterburner is also an excellent program for OCing. I'd google it and see what kind of results/settings other people are typically seeing.

If you bought an aftermarket CPU cooler no reason not to OC the processor a bit though. Should be all kinds of guides for not only the video card but also the processor.
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Re: Barebones vs. Scratch?

Postby Shyrtandros » Wed Feb 15, 2012 7:36 am

Success! I've completed the hardware process of getting the new computer fully assembled and up and running. From the flex here and flex there for putting in the mobo (<- Look at that lingo.. I'm catching on to this stuff) to scaring myself half to death when putting the CPU in and clamping it down. The whole experience was a complete rush of different emotions. The whole range showed up from anger, fear, humor and joy. I had a few "WTF moments" like when connecting the PSU to the motherboard I put in my 2x12 connector and then went to connect the 2x2 and found.. I didn't have a 2x2 (or so I thought). I fiddled around for almost 20 minutes before I realized that the 2x8 I was dumbfounded with was actually 2 different 2x2 clipped TIGHTLY together.

I'm sure everyone know the moment of truth and ultimate fear which was plugging it in and pressing that power button this moment felt like it froze in time the moment I hit the button.

Tick
Tock
Tick
Tock

BOOOM - everything lit up and kicked up just fine without a single problem. All fans, LED lights ect ect.

Now I must get down to the part I actually need some guidence with.

Software.. It booted up, I get to Bios without a problem - confirm that all components are up and running. I can boot up my Win 7 CD if wanted..

My question is if both of my drives already have win 7 installed on them do I actually need to reinstall the OS? I've heard mixed answers on this one from friends but I trust y'all a bit more.. I would expect all I need to do is get all the new drivers in place..

Thanks again for teaching this "tech-padawan".
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Re: Barebones vs. Scratch?

Postby Gab » Wed Feb 15, 2012 10:30 am

I would reccomend formatting both drives to avoid any potential complications although I don't know a whole a lot about SSDs admittedly. Best to get a fresh install especially with the new machine and new hardware.
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Re: Barebones vs. Scratch?

Postby gibborim » Wed Feb 15, 2012 12:15 pm

When moving a system drive to a new computer or swapping to a new system drive on the same computer, I always reformat them. Better to kill the installations with fire than to spend a bunch of time troubleshooting the setup. Besides, an OS install on an SSD is a joke compared to the old days.
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