Theck's MATLAB thread  Cataclysm/4.x
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread  Cataclysm/4.x
tlitp wrote:Theck will provide some numbers later on.
A generous statement, given that you did all the work.
In any event, the weapon sim is updated. No'Kaled beats out Souldrinker by around 100 DPS now. I've also taken out all the 346 weapons, since they aren't relevant to anyone anymore.
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread  Cataclysm/4.x
This is only in regards to tankadin dps?
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread  Cataclysm/4.x
Skye1013 wrote:This is only in regards to tankadin dps?
Not sure what you mean. For raw DPS, No'Kaled is ahead. You may choose to forgo that extra 100 DPS for the extra survivability of the Souldrinker proc (~1k HPS), seeing as it's a fairly efficient DPS>HPS trade.
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread  Cataclysm/4.x
I imagine he's asking whether this would be applicable to other classes. Given the matlab sim deals only with protection paladin you can't really draw any conclusions from it, however I've read speculation elsewhere that it may be BiS for SMF and DW frost as well.
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread  Cataclysm/4.x
Ah, yes. This is really only applicable to prot paladins. The mechanics of different classes differ enough that it's not safe to draw any conclusions about them based on these results.
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread  Cataclysm/4.x
The current modeling shows NK to be ahead of SD for both DW Frost and SMF Fury. As far as Prot Warriors are concerned, I've got no clue. It's probably safe to say that an ilvlequivalent NK is at least as good as a SD, no matter the class/spec.

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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread  Cataclysm/4.x
I probably missed this somewhere but gonna ask anyways: For pure dps, stats aside, would you use 2pc t13 ret with 2pc t12 prot/ 2pc t12 prot with 2pc t12 ret/ or 2pc t12 ret and 2pc t12 ret?
(by stats aside i mean assume a set with 8% and 56 exp)
(by stats aside i mean assume a set with 8% and 56 exp)
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread  Cataclysm/4.x
2pc T13 ret becomes worse and worse as you approach 8/56, so if you've hit hard caps you're better off with the T12 bonuses.
I have 2pc T12 Prot/2pc T12 Ret in my current highdps loadout, which is at 8.08% hit, 53 xpt, and 99.23 tCTC unbuffed. Of course it pays the price in stam, at only 178.6k unbuffed.
I have 2pc T12 Prot/2pc T12 Ret in my current highdps loadout, which is at 8.08% hit, 53 xpt, and 99.23 tCTC unbuffed. Of course it pays the price in stam, at only 178.6k unbuffed.

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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread  Cataclysm/4.x
fuzzygeek wrote:2pc T13 ret becomes worse and worse as you approach 8/56, so if you've hit hard caps you're better off with the T12 bonuses.
I have 2pc T12 Prot/2pc T12 Ret in my current highdps loadout, which is at 7.6% hit, 51 xpt, and 96.6 tCTC unbuffed.
I have read the MATLAB, im aware of what you said. That is not the answer i was looking for. I also see nothing backing up what you are saying, so i will wait on theck to answer hopefully.
Also, it should have been assumed, but i am talking full heroic, meaning the str should be factored in for 19 ilvls. What i am thinking is with 2pc prot and 2 pc t13 ret, more SoTR (from 2pct13ret, which i know its not a ton) plus the bonus it gets from protT12 might put it well over.
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread  Cataclysm/4.x
This post should have all the data you're looking for. You'll have to add up the STR loss in going from your T13 setup to your T12 setup, but at 1.8 dps per point of strength, you'd need to be losing nearly 1000 strength for T13 to catch up.
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread  Cataclysm/4.x
haha, one page back.... sorry. Thanks though, answers my question.
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tlitp wrote:The current modeling shows NK to be ahead of SD for both DW Frost and SMF Fury. As far as Prot Warriors are concerned, I've got no clue. It's probably safe to say that an ilvlequivalent NK is at least as good as a SD, no matter the class/spec.
That is basically what I was getting at. I didn't want to look completely retarded rolling on them in LFR (assuming DKs can?) if they were worse for dps.
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread  Cataclysm/4.x
LFR version is rogue/shaman only so you're out of luck there.
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread  Cataclysm/4.x
Going to be posting this in the gear forum shortly, though it may warrant its own post on the first page. I've been meaning to work out the relative efficiencies of different gem conversions, and this morning I finally got around to it. I figured that it warranted its own MATLAB file for two reasons: 1) It's faster than doing it by hand every few months, 2) I can get a more accurate CTC comparison from MATLAB than I can by just assuming 1 mastery = 3 dodge or parry.
The file is calc_gem_trades.m in the repository if anyone's interested in seeing the source.
The results are a little surprising, even to me. I hadn't guessed that foregoing a 30 parry bonus on the chest/legs would be more efficient than converting Puissants to solids in blue slots. But mathematically it makes sense: 50 parry for 30 stam gives up less CTC than 20 mastery for 30 stam does. The mastery:avoidance CTC ratio in this gear set (T13N) is 3.28; note that that's being calculated by averaging dodge and parry since the set isn't optimized for avoidance (i.e. dodge and parry are a few percent different).
The file is calc_gem_trades.m in the repository if anyone's interested in seeing the source.
The results are a little surprising, even to me. I hadn't guessed that foregoing a 30 parry bonus on the chest/legs would be more efficient than converting Puissants to solids in blue slots. But mathematically it makes sense: 50 parry for 30 stam gives up less CTC than 20 mastery for 30 stam does. The mastery:avoidance CTC ratio in this gear set (T13N) is 3.28; note that that's being calculated by averaging dodge and parry since the set isn't optimized for avoidance (i.e. dodge and parry are a few percent different).
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Gem trade, "EG" means "epic gems" STA/CTC ratio
(in STA per point of mastery)
Defender>Solid, no bonus 4.922
Defender>Solid, 30 Parry bonus, EG 2.207
Defender>Solid, 30 Parry bonus 1.969
Defender>Solid + Puissant>Solid, 30 Parry bonus, EG 1.796
Defender>Solid + Puissant>Solid, 30 Parry bonus 1.703
Puissant>Solid, no bonus 1.500
Defender>Solid, 20 Mastery bonus, EG 1.340
Puissant>Solid, 10 Parry bonus, EG 1.319
Puissant>Solid, 10 Parry bonus 1.302
Puissant>Solid, 20 Parry bonus, EG 1.190
Defender>Solid, 20 Mastery bonus 1.150
Puissant>Solid, 20 Parry bonus 1.150
Puissant>Solid, 30 Parry bonus, EG 1.084
Puissant>Solid, 30 Parry bonus 1.029
Puissant>Solid, 15 STA bonus, EG 0.880
Puissant>Solid, 15 STA bonus 0.750
Puissant>Solid, 45 STA bonus, EG 0.320
Puissant>Solid, 45 STA bonus 0.750
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread  Cataclysm/4.x
Updated to T13H gear, and including approximate values for warriors. The mastery:avoidance factor for paladins is 3.5413; for warriors it's 2.3609.
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Paladin Warrior
Gem trade Socket Bonus Blue Epic Blue Epic
Def>Sol 5.312 5.241 3.541 3.494
50 Dodge>40 STA (bracer ench) 2.833 1.889
Fin>Sol 2.339 2.339 2.107 2.107
Def>Sol 30 Parry 2.125 2.382 1.417 1.588
Fin>Sol 30 Parry 1.759 1.850 1.457 1.553
Def>Sol + Pui>Sol 30 Parry 1.759 1.850 1.457 1.553
Def>Sol + Fra>Sol 30 Parry 1.663 1.709 1.471 1.528
Fin>Sol + Pui>Sol 30 Parry 1.663 1.709 1.471 1.528
Fin>Sol + Fra>Sol 30 Parry 1.619 1.657 1.478 1.526
Pui>Sol 1.500 1.480 1.500 1.480
Fin>Def 1.500 1.480 1.500 1.480
Fra>Pui 1.500 1.480 1.500 1.480
Fra>Sol 1.500 1.500 1.500 1.500
Fra>Sol 10 Parry 1.401 1.420 1.356 1.383
Pui>Sol 10 Parry 1.314 1.330 1.238 1.266
Fra>Sol 30 Parry 1.238 1.283 1.138 1.196
Def>Sol 20 Mast 1.170 1.367 1.054 1.210
Pui>Sol 20 Parry 1.170 1.207 1.054 1.105
Fra>Sol 15 STA 1.125 1.200 1.125 1.200
Pui>Sol 30 Parry 1.054 1.105 0.917 0.981
Fin>Def 30 Parry 1.054 1.105 0.917 0.981
Pui>Sol 15 STA 0.750 0.880 0.750 0.880
Fin>Def 20 Mast 0.750 0.822 0.750 0.822
Fra>Sol 45 STA 0.375 0.600 0.375 0.600
Pui>Sol 45 STA 0.750 0.320 0.750 0.320
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