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Re: Skyrim, first impressions (limit spoilers, please!)

Postby KysenMurrin » Thu Dec 29, 2011 3:18 pm

Great. I'm gonna get started on the Imperial Legion.

Someone complained earlier about people in game not recognising your accomplishments, and I'm noticing some of that too, now. I only just decided to start the Companions, for example, and they treat you like a total nobody, even though you're the Dragonborn and Thane of their town. But on the other hand, guards hve recently started stopping in the street to ask me to use alchemy/resto spells/smithing for them, heh.
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Re: Skyrim, first impressions (limit spoilers, please!)

Postby Fivelives » Thu Dec 29, 2011 4:57 pm

Yeah, there's absolutely no consequences in Skyrim. You're given a bunch of "choices", but it's like my neighbor (an early education major) told me the other day: "You're not supposed to tell kids they're 'wrong' anymore. Instead, you're supposed to tell them 'that's the right answer, just not for this question'."

I wonder if there will ever be a game where we're given choices that actually matter and have an impact on things other than "well, you joined the Legion, so you can't do the Stormcloak quests" types of situations.
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Re: Skyrim, first impressions (limit spoilers, please!)

Postby KysenMurrin » Thu Dec 29, 2011 5:47 pm

I wouldn't quite put it that way. There are consequences for doing things in game, like comitting crimes or getting people killed. If you do things wrong then you might not get the best outcome, but there's no absolute right or wrong way unles it gets you killed. I don't think there's anything the game should be punishing you for but isn't.

I can't really speak for long term consequences on the game world for completing quest lines, though. I haven't gone that far with any of them.

There are some things that are kind of off, like the fact I can carry around a couple of weapons that were given to me as gifts/rewards by Daedra and yet the order that fights Daedra still treat me the same, or that I can turn people in to the Thalmor for Talos worship and nobody blinks an eye about it. And the main one mentioned is just that the College, the Companions, the Imperial Legion, all treat you like someone who's never picked up a weapon before regardless of how far through the game you are when you join.

Or the fact that the Thieves Guild intro guy spots me and decides instantly that I'm cut out for the Guild even though I've barely stolen a thing all game. Actually that's the one place I can see your point on: I failed the quest to get a shot at the Thieves Guild, and the guy told me to come along and join anyway. Haven't noticed anything else that bad, though.
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Re: Skyrim, first impressions (limit spoilers, please!)

Postby Fivelives » Thu Dec 29, 2011 6:41 pm

You can join the Stormcloaks and still become a Thane in Solitude before completing the Stormcloak quest line. Same with Legion/Winterhold. That's the kind of consequence I'm talking about - not "break the law and go to jail if you're caught".
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Re: Skyrim, first impressions (limit spoilers, please!)

Postby KysenMurrin » Sun Jan 01, 2012 3:56 am

I think I'm getting to the point where some of the shine is starting to wear off. Couple of reasons: firstly there's a lot of repetition in enemies and the fights, so the dungeons are no longer feeling as new and interesting; secondly, I've got a shield now, Spellbreaker, that seems to totally trivialise a lot of fights where before I at least felt a little at risk. The shield reduces all magic damage while blocking by 50, and I already have the 50% reduction while blocking perk. The result has been that I can now stand in a dragon's breath with my shield up and barely take any damage at all.

I think I'm going to have to start on the main storylines before I lose interest.


Fivelives wrote:You can join the Stormcloaks and still become a Thane in Solitude before completing the Stormcloak quest line. Same with Legion/Winterhold. That's the kind of consequence I'm talking about - not "break the law and go to jail if you're caught".

I've just been looking up about Windhelm, and it's telling me I have to either do some Stormcloak quests or finish the Imperial storyline before I can get the house and Thane title there, so that's not exactly right.
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Re: Skyrim, first impressions (limit spoilers, please!)

Postby Thalia » Sun Jan 01, 2012 12:10 pm

KysenMurrin wrote:I think I'm getting to the point where some of the shine is starting to wear off. Couple of reasons: firstly there's a lot of repetition in enemies and the fights, so the dungeons are no longer feeling as new and interesting; secondly, I've got a shield now, Spellbreaker, that seems to totally trivialise a lot of fights where before I at least felt a little at risk. The shield reduces all magic damage while blocking by 50, and I already have the 50% reduction while blocking perk. The result has been that I can now stand in a dragon's breath with my shield up and barely take any damage at all.

I think I'm going to have to start on the main storylines before I lose interest.


Fivelives wrote:You can join the Stormcloaks and still become a Thane in Solitude before completing the Stormcloak quest line. Same with Legion/Winterhold. That's the kind of consequence I'm talking about - not "break the law and go to jail if you're caught".

I've just been looking up about Windhelm, and it's telling me I have to either do some Stormcloak quests or finish the Imperial storyline before I can get the house and Thane title there, so that's not exactly right.


Well as far as the Stormcloaks storyline I was able to get a house only doing about 2-3 sections of the story, not the full campaign.
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Re: Skyrim, first impressions (limit spoilers, please!)

Postby Fivelives » Sun Jan 01, 2012 4:37 pm

KysenMurrin wrote:I've just been looking up about Windhelm, and it's telling me I have to either do some Stormcloak quests or finish the Imperial storyline before I can get the house and Thane title there, so that's not exactly right.


It's not the civil war that triggers it, there's a quest to do (tracking down the murderer). It's easier to do as a Legionnaire, if only because it skips all of the annoying shit and leads you right to the big bad's hideout during the taking of Windhelm, which automatically updates the quest to the right stage.

Of course, like everyfuckingthing else in Skyrim, it's bugged. If you haven't got the quest in your log when you go to sack Windhelm, you can't get the house, ever. Or the thane title (which is given out for buying the house and doing 5 quests for people in Windhelm).
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Re: Skyrim, first impressions (limit spoilers, please!)

Postby KysenMurrin » Mon Jan 02, 2012 3:15 am

You still need to pick a side before getting the house (because it requires faction related quests), and you only get it afer sacking Windhelm if you pick Imperial (in other words, becoming an Imperial means you can't get the house until you remove Ulfric from power there, which is the point about consequences). Yes, there's a quest connected to the house but it's not the trigger for purchase.
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Re: Skyrim, first impressions (limit spoilers, please!)

Postby Fivelives » Mon Jan 02, 2012 7:05 pm

To buy Hjerim in Windhelm, you have to complete the first part of the side quest "Blood on the Ice". There are no other restrictions. Try it - to trigger the quest, enter Windhelm (for the first time), exit Windhelm to the world map, wait 3 days, then go back in again and walk over by the house of the dead.

The only house that has a requirement as far as a quest line is concerned is the one in Whiterun, and you can do that quest pretty much on accident.
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Re: Skyrim, first impressions (limit spoilers, please!)

Postby KysenMurrin » Tue Jan 03, 2012 12:16 am

I've done the whole Blood on the Ice line now. You don't get the option to buy property until you've done faction quests.

Funny how they say they're too busy with the civil war to investigate crime and yet I've not once yet come across any location where the Stormcloaks and Legion are actually fighting.
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Re: Skyrim, first impressions (limit spoilers, please!)

Postby Darielle » Tue Jan 03, 2012 8:17 pm

Funny how they say they're too busy with the civil war to investigate crime and yet I've not once yet come across any location where the Stormcloaks and Legion are actually fighting.


The random Stormcloak and Imperial patrols runs around and meet up and kill each other here and there. Near Robber's Gorge is a place they run into each other fairly consistently on the 3 characters I've taken through there. There's also a place on the way from Markath to Rorikstead where an Imperial camp gets jumped on by Forsworn and Stormcloaks at the same time and the thing can end up in a 3-way bloodbath.
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