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Re: [10H] Baleroc

Postby RedAces » Tue Sep 27, 2011 7:20 am

Yes its possible (at least on 10m) but treck said that it's not on 25m.
Proof (preNerf 10H): http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/aeb9 ... +Strike%22

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[20:31:26.622] Baleroc's Decimating Strike fades from Liyandra
[20:31:27.021] Liyandra casts Lay on Hands on Liyandra
[20:31:27.073] Liyandra Lay on Hands Liyandra +555222 (O: 575968)
[20:31:27.201] Baleroc Decimating Strike Liyandra Dodge
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Re: [10H] Baleroc

Postby frontallobe » Tue Sep 27, 2011 10:58 am

Wow, I definitely did not know this. Holy nerfs. Love it :)
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Re: [10H] Baleroc

Postby RedAces » Tue Sep 27, 2011 11:07 am

That was preNerf ;)
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Re: [10H] Baleroc

Postby frontallobe » Tue Sep 27, 2011 11:27 am

Really!!??? I remember trying it a few times and getting nothing. Maybe it was not allowed during the dec blades swings?
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Re: [10H] Baleroc

Postby RedAces » Tue Sep 27, 2011 12:47 pm

What do you mean by "not allowed" ? You have to time it perfectly to make it work..
Heres the (full) log of the dblade-phase

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[20:31:16.086] Baleroc begins to cast Decimation Blade
[20:31:17.598] Baleroc gains Decimation Blade from Baleroc
[20:31:22.616] Liyandra afflicted by Decimating Strike from Baleroc
[20:31:22.771] Baleroc Decimating Strike Liyandra 809758 (A: 60078)
[20:31:26.622] Baleroc's Decimating Strike fades from Liyandra
[20:31:27.021] Liyandra casts Lay on Hands on Liyandra
[20:31:27.073] Liyandra Lay on Hands Liyandra +555222 (O: 575968)
[20:31:27.201] Baleroc Decimating Strike Liyandra Dodge
[20:31:31.998] Baleroc Decimating Strike Liyandra Dodge
[20:31:32.611] Baleroc's Decimation Blade fades from Baleroc

The debuffs was on me from 22.615 till 26.622 (4 sec) and the next swing came at 27.201 (~4.6 secs). So you've got a time window of half a second.


Lets take the next dblade-phase:
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[20:32:52.095] Baleroc gains Decimation Blade from Baleroc
[20:32:56.913] Baleroc Decimating Strike Liyandra Dodge
[20:33:02.018] Liyandra afflicted by Decimating Strike from Baleroc
[20:33:02.223] Baleroc Decimating Strike Liyandra 1088736 (A: 107289)
[20:33:06.005] Baleroc's Decimating Strike fades from Liyandra
[20:33:06.872] Liyandra afflicted by Decimating Strike from Baleroc
[20:33:06.922] Baleroc Decimating Strike Liyandra 590497 (A: 605528)
[20:33:07.124] Baleroc's Decimation Blade fades from Baleroc
[20:33:10.905] Baleroc's Decimating Strike fades from Liyandra

The 2nd swing hit and the debuff faded after 4 sec, new debuff came in 0.87 sec later.

Thats your time window for self-LoH.
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Re: [10H] Baleroc

Postby Hrobertgar » Tue Sep 27, 2011 3:11 pm

I had thought it was a 3 sec debuff vs the 4 sec swing pre-nerf, but I never actually tried to time it.

self-LoH may be a nice thing in an emergency (like Ardent Defender) but you shouldn't necessarily plan on it given that there are usually multiple DBs and you can't use it on all of them.
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Re: [10H] Baleroc

Postby frontallobe » Wed Sep 28, 2011 6:17 am

Did it last night and realized I typically use my LOH on a soaking dps not getting enough heals. But thank you for the heads up on the buff-timer window to LOH self. Appreciate it. Good in a pinch.
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Re: [10H] Baleroc

Postby Petrus » Thu Oct 13, 2011 2:26 am

Post-nerfs, is it best to use a 2-soak or 3-soak rotation for this? We're 5/7 with just Baleroc standing in our way. No Spriest or Unholy DK to take our stacks, unfortunately, so we just have to rotate.
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Re: [10H] Baleroc

Postby baleogthefierce » Thu Oct 13, 2011 6:12 am

Petrus wrote:Post-nerfs, is it best to use a 2-soak or 3-soak rotation for this? We're 5/7 with just Baleroc standing in our way. No Spriest or Unholy DK to take our stacks, unfortunately, so we just have to rotate.


We've 2-soaked every week since before the nerfs and we've never had a kill where someone didn't screw up the rotation via torment spreading (and thus require one of our backups to step in). If your healers aren't on the ball it's very easy for a DPS to die while 2-soaking even with a strong defensive cooldown for the last few seconds. Honestly it depends on preference, though I imagine for learning you'll have better success just starting with a 3-soak rotation.
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Re: [10H] Baleroc

Postby KysenMurrin » Thu Oct 13, 2011 6:54 am

Three-person soaking, however, means that you'll have no backup if someone does get Tormented at the wrong time - which someone almost always will, because of Countdown.
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Re: [10H] Baleroc

Postby baleogthefierce » Thu Oct 13, 2011 7:00 am

KysenMurrin wrote:Three-person soaking, however, means that you'll have no backup if someone does get Tormented at the wrong time - which someone almost always will, because of Countdown.


You still have one backup unless you're 2-tanking (and there's really no reason to do that anymore).
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Re: [10H] Baleroc

Postby Nikachelle » Thu Oct 13, 2011 7:04 am

Depends on how many healers you use. With no one to take a full crystal right off the start, we've been using 3 healers, 1 tank and 6 dps. If we were to three soak (which we don't), then we'd have no one on backup. With our setup, we have two backup soakers.

Basically, if you three heal, one tank - you can't three-person soak. If you two heal, one tank - you can three-person soak, but only have one backup.
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Re: [10H] Baleroc

Postby illinivb7 » Thu Oct 13, 2011 7:19 am

For 10m a 3 soak rotation only requires 5 players allowing for more backups. With 3 heals i would 2 soak anyways just to raise the stacks better but with 2 healers you can run the rotation SP = A, rest don't matter.

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Re: [10H] Baleroc

Postby Nikachelle » Thu Oct 13, 2011 7:24 am

Oh right.

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Re: [10H] Baleroc

Postby baleogthefierce » Thu Oct 13, 2011 7:34 am

I can't imagine a scenario where 3 healers is necessary, especially with a Paladin tank since we are OP lol cheese single tank godmode on this encounter.
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