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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby Chicken » Sat Aug 13, 2011 3:31 pm

These days with the huge selection of tabards, along with most people having their helm graphics off, the most you can easily discern are their shoulders. Considering that's one piece you can't easily buy the tier set for, the only thing I can say about most random people I end up grouped with is what armor type they're wearing based on their looks. I definitely just base their relative gearing level on the amount of health they have, and their class based on whatever color they happen to pop up as in my unit frames.
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby fuzzygeek » Sat Aug 13, 2011 3:43 pm

Gracerath wrote:I'd love to defeat Deathwing in Twill armor.


Relevant: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z29Rk8814w
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby Jaitee » Sun Aug 14, 2011 2:04 am

ive got a bit of a feeling that void storage might end up being a sort of long term storage bank they say the reason that they wont increase our bank/bag space is that then there is to much data and it would slow stuff down but i imagine that they could get around that with a bank that is stored differently and only able to be accessed once per day or something like that

and the transmogrifier or whatever he is i think will allow us to change the appearance of our offspec peices to match the rest of our teir for instance helm of blazing glory i could make look like my T12 helm...might even bring back full sets of teir armor including belts and boots so that they dont look weird compared to the rest of our gear would be limited to making gear look like your teir gear as long as the teir is the same ilvl (or the equivalent i.e the higher ilvl shoulders from rag could still look like the lower ilvl teir shoulders)
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby Levantine » Sun Aug 14, 2011 2:36 am

Yrma v2.0?
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby PsiVen » Sun Aug 14, 2011 8:46 am

Levantine wrote:Yrma v2.0?


I suppose that's possible, but that makes his placement next to the reforging NPC peculiar. I don't think they're likely to revisit that exact concept, but I could believe something to do with PvP/PvE gear.

Letdown of the year if that's the case.
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby Cronus » Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:04 pm

If i could Transmorgrify a weapon...THUNDERFURY will be my new tankin weapon! WOOT!!! I hope hope hope....I want to actually use my T-FURY again. PLZ PLZ PLZ BLIZZ!!!
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby Shoju » Mon Aug 15, 2011 6:51 am

Yrma 2.0 is a more realistic suggestion, and one that I'm surprised hasn't been discussed more. It would logically be the more 'realistic' explanation of the NPC based on past behaviors by blizzard. I was never able to raid SWP as progression, could someone who did comment on how well received that NPC was? Did you use it a lot?
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby halabar » Mon Aug 15, 2011 8:02 am

Shoju wrote:Yrma 2.0 is a more realistic suggestion, and one that I'm surprised hasn't been discussed more. It would logically be the more 'realistic' explanation of the NPC based on past behaviors by blizzard. I was never able to raid SWP as progression, could someone who did comment on how well received that NPC was? Did you use it a lot?


But why would the place that vendor there? Wouldn't they place him next to the Heroic Upgrade vendor just outside the Firelands portal? (Unless it's not for this raid tier).

But after looking back at past raid tiers.. only Tier 4 hunter would be interesting for me to go back if I I was able to recast my gear. I would like to change my dwarf hunter's gun to the Core Marksman's rifle, assuming he actually had a raiding gun to transmogrify, but sadly, Blizz doesn't do raiding guns anymore...
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby Shoju » Mon Aug 15, 2011 8:23 am

Because it is part of 4.3, which means it wont be a part of firelands raiding.

Because if they do it where it requires a piece of gear and a sunmote style drop, you can always head to the same vendor in the same spot to do the same thing from 4.3 on.

If it isn't a Yrma style vendor, and is instead changing gear looks, I really can't find any gear that I would want to Tmog my DK's gear into. Now, his weapons on the other hand... There are tons of awesome weapon models out there.
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby benebarba » Mon Aug 15, 2011 9:59 am

KysenMurrin wrote:Does Blizzard want people to have the ability to totally hide themselves inside armor that looks nothing like what they're actually wearing?


I don't think they do, but I do think that there are a lot of players who would like that control.

However I do wonder if much QQ could be solved simply by making it not apply in BGs/arena, or at least in rated ones, where I'd assume the margins rely on being able to recognize that the 85 paladin in front of you is, in fact, not wearing a lvl 60 PVP set. Or perhaps making it so you can only use sets you have or only use those of the same or lower ilvl.

To be honest, don't unit frames and recognizable spell effects take care of a lot of that guess work already ? I can understand the idea behind folks saying that silhouettes are important, but how important can they be in a BG where folks can't even wrap their heads around not fighting in the roads?
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby Nordix » Mon Aug 15, 2011 10:41 am

Void Storage = Banker
Transmogrifier = Hairdresser

Ethereals like to have complicated names for everything:P
I think this is outland revamp.
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby Sabindeus » Mon Aug 15, 2011 10:44 am

Nordix wrote:Void Storage = Banker
Transmogrifier = Hairdresser

Ethereals like to have complicated names for everything:P
I think this is outland revamp.

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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby bldavis » Mon Aug 15, 2011 11:18 am

benebarba wrote:
KysenMurrin wrote:Does Blizzard want people to have the ability to totally hide themselves inside armor that looks nothing like what they're actually wearing?


I don't think they do, but I do think that there are a lot of players who would like that control.

However I do wonder if much QQ could be solved simply by making it not apply in BGs/arena, or at least in rated ones, where I'd assume the margins rely on being able to recognize that the 85 paladin in front of you is, in fact, not wearing a lvl 60 PVP set. Or perhaps making it so you can only use sets you have or only use those of the same or lower ilvl.

To be honest, don't unit frames and recognizable spell effects take care of a lot of that guess work already ? I can understand the idea behind folks saying that silhouettes are important, but how important can they be in a BG where folks can't even wrap their heads around not fighting in the roads?

inorite!

i mean any serious pvper will have unit frames and nameplates
combine that with the recognizable spells/armor looks and you SHOULD be able to tell them apart

if not, a silhouette wont help
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby Nordix » Mon Aug 15, 2011 11:37 am

Sabindeus wrote:rofl

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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby Jeremoot » Mon Aug 15, 2011 11:47 am

Nordix wrote:Transmogrifier = Hairdresser


Troll of the year if Blizzard does this.
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby Shamora » Mon Aug 15, 2011 11:49 am

As suggested before you could always disallow players to customize PVP armor. Both changing the looks of PVP armor and changing non-PVP armor into looking like PVP armor. Or you could take a page from LOTRO. When you go into a PVP area it shows your original armor instead of your cosmetic set. Of course this wouldn't help any with world PVP, but does anyone really care about world PVP?
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby fuzzygeek » Mon Aug 15, 2011 11:56 am

Jeremoot wrote:
Nordix wrote:Transmogrifier = Hairdresser


Troll of the year if Blizzard does this.


Seriously.

I really think they should just let the transmogrification affect the player only. This would probably satisfy the vast majority of people who want this ability, and we can all laugh at everyone else who gets angry because other people can't see their pretty pretty princess outfit.

There used to be a program that would futz around with local cache files to swap models. I miss this program.
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby Chicken » Mon Aug 15, 2011 1:27 pm

fuzzygeek wrote:There used to be a program that would futz around with local cache files to swap models. I miss this program.
You can still do this kind of stuff, so long as you have some way of creating MPQ files and know what to replace; similar to how Invis's old high-resolution tier 8 legs fix worked. Make sure to follow the proper directory structure within the MPQ, replace the models and textures you want with other models, then replace one of the 1 kb SoundCache-Patch-#####.MPQ files in your World of Warcraft\Data\Cache folder with your custom MPQ and voila, you can still do the old-fashioned model and texture swapping.

Just keep in mind that it's technically a bannable offense to do so, since replacing models can allow you to do such fun things like skipping every boss in AQ40 except the Prophet Skeram if you're looking to kill C'Thun.
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby Mukat » Mon Aug 15, 2011 2:26 pm

Chicken wrote:Just keep in mind that it's technically a bannable offense to do so, since replacing models can allow you to do such fun things like skipping every boss in AQ40 except the Prophet Skeram if you're looking to kill C'Thun.

could you elaborate on how this would work? not how you do it.
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby Sabindeus » Mon Aug 15, 2011 2:31 pm

Nordix wrote:
Sabindeus wrote:rofl

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because that shit was hilarious
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby KysenMurrin » Mon Aug 15, 2011 2:37 pm

Mukat wrote:
Chicken wrote:Just keep in mind that it's technically a bannable offense to do so, since replacing models can allow you to do such fun things like skipping every boss in AQ40 except the Prophet Skeram if you're looking to kill C'Thun.

could you elaborate on how this would work? not how you do it.

I would assume it involves replacing closed doors with small models.
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby fuzzygeek » Mon Aug 15, 2011 3:14 pm

The exploit involved the female gnome model and running behind walls, IIRC.

The fact that's it's a bannable offense is why I'd love to be able to do something like this totally sanctioned by Blizz. :D
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby PsiVen » Mon Aug 15, 2011 6:22 pm

The C'Thun exploit was world models, not player models. There's a very big difference -- people do world editing to access stuff like the exceedingly strange Emerald Dream areas, and to remove the floor from early AQ to allow you to drop into C'Thun's room directly. I'm not sure if this is still possible, but I know that some of the folks who put up exploration videos have been banned for it.

As far as I know nobody has been banned for changing player models to other races; despite Blizzard's stance against it, I think their main goal was to make it impossible. Replacing textures seems to be permitted, but I don't believe they've ever confirmed as much.

Shoju wrote:Yrma 2.0 is a more realistic suggestion, and one that I'm surprised hasn't been discussed more. It would logically be the more 'realistic' explanation of the NPC based on past behaviors by blizzard. I was never able to raid SWP as progression, could someone who did comment on how well received that NPC was? Did you use it a lot?


It was simply an NPC which exchanged one offset piece for another, so for example (IIRC) if you wanted the tank chest you waited for the holy paladin chest to drop, and converted it. There was another NPC who allowed you to turn in T6 tokens for the previous tier of PvP gear. Both of these concepts are thoroughly embodied in the current token/VP/conquest system, and the closest thing to it on live is the separate NPC for crystallized firestones... Which already exists, and wouldn't make sense next to the reforger.
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby Mukat » Mon Aug 15, 2011 6:46 pm

I thought that NPC allowed you to exchange the one piece of gear that dropped for the other one. For example, I recall a tank piece suited for warrior tanks only dropping from some boss in Sunwell, but you could exchange that piece with a sunmote to the NPC for one suited to paladin tanks. The paladin item never dropped from any boss, but so long as you had a plate tank, the item that dropped could get used. I never raided Sunwell though, so it's likely I misread the functionality of this approach 3 or 4 years ago.
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby Dane » Tue Aug 16, 2011 2:46 am

halabar wrote:
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Nikachelle wrote:And I think you guys are pigeonholing me into a healing role here. I'm not saying I DON'T look up from Grid, obviously you can't heal properly if you don't know where people are standing, but there's nothing efficient about trying to find the tank in the middle of the melee pack and trying to select them based on what gear they are wearing.


Sure, but I never said I did that. That doesn't reduce the important of having well recognizable gear sets.


CryptStalker will be very recognizable, even moreso because it won't change as gear is upgraded, I'll keep that look. (maybe demonstalker... need to go see how that looks on a orc and dwarf..)


Ok. So you've got an easily identifiable look you like...but what happens when Random Pug X has decided that he doesn't like ANY of the tier, but instead LOVES head slot 1 from BFD, shoulder slot 4 from Gnomeregan and weapon 3 from The Arcatraz?

Seriously...will you be able to tell what gear level you're playing with when you find yourself grouped with this guy? http://penny-arcade.com/comic/2008/01/02

I just don't think I've seen a viable proposal yet to allow for the cosmetic changes people seem to want so much. It'd be nice if Blizz could come up with SOMETHING good though.
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