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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby RedAces » Fri Aug 12, 2011 11:06 am

I'd like to transmogrify my weapon to Thunderfury hoping it won't be destroyed in the process :D That would be epic!
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby Worldie » Fri Aug 12, 2011 11:12 am

IF (always assuming this transmogrifier thing is what we think it is) it was possible to freely change the appearance of items to other stuff... would you REALLY like seeing 70% of the people running around in T2 with a thunderfury?
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby halabar » Fri Aug 12, 2011 11:16 am

Worldie wrote:IF (always assuming this transmogrifier thing is what we think it is) it was possible to freely change the appearance of items to other stuff... would you REALLY like seeing 70% of the people running around in T2 with a thunderfury?


You really think 70% of the people will manage to farm a TF?..

This kind of change could diminish future tier designs, unless they step up their game a bit.
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby RedAces » Fri Aug 12, 2011 11:18 am

No - but if you can only trans your items into other items you have - that would be (more?) fair.
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby fuzzygeek » Fri Aug 12, 2011 11:42 am

RedAces wrote:No - but if you can only trans your items into other items you have - that would be (more?) fair.


This seems like a reasonable least requirement.

Also: they could make the gear change appearances to just yourself. To everyone else, it looks like whatever it is.

This sidesteps the problem of silhouette identification, and gives people who WANT THEIR FUCKING BULWARK BACK their fucking Bulwarks. :D
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby RedAces » Fri Aug 12, 2011 11:44 am

So making client-side model swapping legal? That would be a neat idea.
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby Nikachelle » Fri Aug 12, 2011 11:44 am

Worldie wrote:IF (always assuming this transmogrifier thing is what we think it is) it was possible to freely change the appearance of items to other stuff... would you REALLY like seeing 70% of the people running around in T2 with a thunderfury?

Absolutely not. I don't want to see anyone wearing replica gear at all. I don't support recolours either, but I'd accept that a lot more over seeing someone in their fake gear just because they thought it was pretty.
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby Shoju » Fri Aug 12, 2011 11:56 am

Nikachelle wrote:
Worldie wrote:IF (always assuming this transmogrifier thing is what we think it is) it was possible to freely change the appearance of items to other stuff... would you REALLY like seeing 70% of the people running around in T2 with a thunderfury?

Absolutely not. I don't want to see anyone wearing replica gear at all. I don't support recolours either, but I'd accept that a lot more over seeing someone in their fake gear just because they thought it was pretty.



I would go along with your sentiments Nika if Blizzard was in the habit of making new and interesting models for all the classes each tier. There is sadly at least 2 classes per tier that I look at and say "Seriously, WTFF were they thinking." I can completely understand people who are unhappy with their appearance.

Hell, as a Prot Paladin I was always irritable that warriors and or DK tanks could end up in a suit of armor that LOOKED like it went together. Prots were always wearing a belt and boots and bracers (thought rarely visible) that looked like they didn't belong. No matter how epic the raiding prot paladin is, no matter how many times over they kill H:Rags, A Prot Paladin is going to have to wear a healing belt and boots to make his set look "right".

And yes. Visuals are important to me. I essentially QUIT playing my very first level 70 after my 2nd or 3rd heroic when I got his legs and they looked awful. I'm not alone in thinking that aesthetics are important.

Don't think of it just as a "Vanity Old School" gear thing. Maybe you just really want to wear your T13 gear, but as usual the Pally is some crazy color and design that doesn't mesh with Dk / Warrior. So instead you are wearing your super awesome T13 blue paladin gear with a flaming orange warrior set tank belt, and violent red dk set tank boots. But! Then you win the plate healing Belt and boots. You walk over to the tmog guy and BLAM! Now you too can look super cool and not clashing.

For everything they did to make aesthetics better from the TBC paint fight to now, Paladin tanks (and to an extent ENH Shaman, and Feral Druids) get stuck wearing off set gear non tier piece item slot gear that looks FUGGING AWFUL with their tier gear.

Besides, this is all free range conjecture until we hear what it is all about.


Oh and @worldie.

If 70% of the populace has TFury, I might go punch a blizz employee.

/stomps off grumbling about 3+ wasted years of farming.
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby fuzzygeek » Fri Aug 12, 2011 12:00 pm

Hrobertgar wrote:I can only imagine how many people would farm AQ40 for the Leia Slave Girl Outfit (cloth chest, I forget the item name) if Transmogrification would actually go live.


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For some reason I've had this outfit in my bags for years. (Wildheart boots btw)
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby Worldie » Fri Aug 12, 2011 12:02 pm

Shoju wrote:If 70% of the populace has TFury, I might go punch a blizz employee.

/stomps off grumbling about 3+ wasted years of farming.

You'd be surprised of how common it is.

In my guild even some casters (who can't use it) have it. And it has been like that in every guild I joined since halfway in WotLK.
I thought TF was rare when I made mine, but I soon found out that everyone and their grandmom has it.
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby Nikachelle » Fri Aug 12, 2011 12:11 pm

My biggest gripe is that offset pieces are the exact same model as a tier piece or, as you said, another class' tier. The fact that they don't even recolour them now is a bit shocking, particularly since they have even less gear to create now that there is no difference between 10 and 25 man gear. I'm not so much concerned about matchy matchy colours, I'm more disturbed by hideous models. But, that being said, while I loved my T8 from Ulduar, I don't want to wear it forever - I'd get bored of it!

Actually, thinking about it all... I would be okay (and possibly happy) if you could create your OWN gear. Not have it morph into something that has already existed, but rather draw your own. That way it's unique to you (until someone copies you and you scream bloody murder) and it's not derived from pre-existing gear.
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby fafhrd » Fri Aug 12, 2011 12:22 pm

*Newfound respect for Fuzzygeek and interest in all her posts*

One or both those things could also just be to store appearances without eating up bag space, people have been asking for that for ages too.

Alternatively, it could mean nothing, blizzard has random funnily named NPCs that don't exist in-game in many screenshots. Maybe they just wanted a screenshot for Facebook and made that scene for it.
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby Flex » Fri Aug 12, 2011 12:29 pm

Equipment Sets: Bunny

Mine is black mageweave, bunny ears, basket and flowers.

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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby culhag » Fri Aug 12, 2011 12:50 pm

Nikachelle wrote:offset pieces

That made me think that we could finally match boots and belts with our sets by copying the holy pieces.
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby Shoju » Fri Aug 12, 2011 12:57 pm

culhag wrote:
Nikachelle wrote:offset pieces

That made me think that we could finally match boots and belts with our sets by copying the holy pieces.


just one of the many advantages.
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby halabar » Fri Aug 12, 2011 1:17 pm

Shoju wrote:
culhag wrote:
Nikachelle wrote:offset pieces

That made me think that we could finally match boots and belts with our sets by copying the holy pieces.


just one of the many advantages.


And if Blizz is smart, they are monitoring all the threads across all the forums that this has spawned, and are measuring the speculation, reaction to that speculation, and finding the happy middle ground based on all the responses, and seeing if that meshes with what the planned in the first place...

or it could just be a lark...
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby Worldie » Fri Aug 12, 2011 1:19 pm

What you said has shown many times to be true. I still remember that I've been the first to mention to give paladins a Guardian Spirit when we were complaining for lack of cooldowns, and it actually happened a month after :p


On a funny note, thinking about that some hours ago, I wondered if Blizzard has absolutely no idea of what to do of those two NPCs, just invented funky names and is now scanning community forums for ideas.
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby Hrobertgar » Fri Aug 12, 2011 1:52 pm

if you zone into a Random 5 man wearing what looks like T3, your teammates lose the ability to size you up instantly and know what content you've been through.


Personally I run Athene's Gear Check and don't evaluate PvE group memebrs based on item models. I realize in PvP visual identification can really help sizing up an opponent, and I do recognize a few PvE items, but I use the gear check to get an idea of potential and then evaluate output on recount or on executing mechanics (tanks especially)
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby fafhrd » Fri Aug 12, 2011 2:20 pm

Flex wrote:Equipment Sets: Bunny

Mine is black mageweave, bunny ears, basket and flowers.

Equipment Sets: Playboy


I have that exact set on my belf rogue! Although sometimes she switches to a brewfest hat and a santa outfit, but dualwielding spring flowers.

Darkskinned draenei hunter on the other hand goes with lovely black dress + black blindfold + 2x widow's remorse + black dress hooves.
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby Amirya » Fri Aug 12, 2011 4:26 pm

Sabindeus wrote:if you zone into a Random 5 man wearing what looks like T3, your teammates lose the ability to size you up instantly and know what content you've been through.

While I don't dispute this statement, half the problem I have in the random 5 mans - which contributes greatly to why I don't do them anymore - is that when my teammates showing up wearing gear that is identifiable, I still lose the ability to size them up instantly. Gear =/= skill, and we all know there are still the random inbreds who think that fire gives them a +10 moodlet called Warm Fuzzies.

"Oh hey, a DK tank in t11 or equivalent gear...who is dual wielding...in blood spec and unholy presence...and gems stam and crit. Green quality gems, at that."

For me personally, I'd rather zone in and see someone wearing what looks like t3, and be pleasantly surprised; rather than what looks like t12 heroic, and be sorely disappointed.
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby fafhrd » Fri Aug 12, 2011 5:03 pm

If someone zoned in in a full or near full set of level 60 enchanted T3 I'd actually probably assume they know how to play more often than I'd assume someone in a bunch of T11 gear knows how to play.
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby Gracerath » Sat Aug 13, 2011 12:44 am

I'd love to defeat Deathwing in Twill armor.
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby bldavis » Sat Aug 13, 2011 1:15 am

an entire raid of nothing but the level 1 whites you start out in!

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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby PsiVen » Sat Aug 13, 2011 10:59 am

fafhrd wrote:If someone zoned in in a full or near full set of level 60 enchanted T3 I'd actually probably assume they know how to play more often than I'd assume someone in a bunch of T11 gear knows how to play.


Yeah, I have to say having a bunch of T3 sends a rather loud message that you've been around for a long time. But I don't think anyone seriously looks at the gear you're wearing and sizes you up right then. They might go "is he wearing pvp shoulders?" before hitting /inspect. HP/mana values are probably more common for at-a-glance sizing up.

I agree with not allowing appearance changes in arenas, but there's no need for a 5-man to be able to size you up at a glance. There's enough variation in item models and relative appearance already that it's somewhat difficult -- especially for the majority of the population who know next to nothing about gear that other classes wear, and just know that's what "hunter gear looks like." Seeing a hunter dressed like a priest would generate a laugh, not abject horror and confusion.
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby Worldie » Sat Aug 13, 2011 11:11 am

Actually back in Vanilla / Tbc seeing a hunter wearing Int gear generated usually a *facepalm*
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