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Re: Interesting Lore Discussion Thread

Postby KysenMurrin » Wed Jul 20, 2011 7:41 am

How many Forsaken/Undead characters are there who've been developed? As an Alliance player I can't really name any beyond Sylvanas and Koltira.
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Re: Interesting Lore Discussion Thread

Postby Sagara » Wed Jul 20, 2011 7:42 am

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Re: Interesting Lore Discussion Thread

Postby Dantriges » Wed Jul 20, 2011 7:53 am

Levantine wrote:How the hell are you going from Horde attacks Alliance to "huge amount of hatred that the orcs have against the humans"?


Well I argued previously that it would make more sense if both factions work together to wipe out the cult and attack Deathwing, but everyone said the other faction is a bigger threat, there are old grudges, etc etc

So we start this debate again?

I hought that after two near genocidal wars, 20 years in internment and now a new war, feelings are a bit high. You probably don´t run around on the battlefield with positive emotions for the enemy, you try to disembowel in hand to hand fighting.

It doesn´t really matter to me if you label it violent dislike or huge hatred.
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Re: Interesting Lore Discussion Thread

Postby Shoju » Wed Jul 20, 2011 10:36 am

All this lore talk has me wishing that they would have made Satyr the playable horde faction instead of goblins. That's a storyline I think could have awesome possibilities.
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Re: Interesting Lore Discussion Thread

Postby Holyblaze » Wed Jul 20, 2011 12:12 pm

Shoju wrote:All this lore talk has me wishing that they would have made Satyr the playable horde faction instead of goblins. That's a storyline I think could have awesome possibilities.



This!

I would have made a Horde toon is this was the case!
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Re: Interesting Lore Discussion Thread

Postby halabar » Wed Jul 20, 2011 12:15 pm

Shoju wrote:All this lore talk has me wishing that they would have made Satyr the playable horde faction instead of goblins. That's a storyline I think could have awesome possibilities.


It would also set up some more interesting intra-race dynamics. The goblins are more of a toy race, like gnomes..
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Re: Interesting Lore Discussion Thread

Postby Shoju » Wed Jul 20, 2011 1:18 pm

I mean, You have this fantastic race, with interesting models already. I'm pretty sure you could make a case for

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Which, would have been a pretty full line up of classes available. I don't even care that they couldn't be healer classes. I would roll one right now.
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Re: Interesting Lore Discussion Thread

Postby Sabindeus » Wed Jul 20, 2011 2:20 pm

halabar wrote:
Shoju wrote:All this lore talk has me wishing that they would have made Satyr the playable horde faction instead of goblins. That's a storyline I think could have awesome possibilities.


It would also set up some more interesting intra-race dynamics. The goblins are more of a toy race, like gnomes..


Wow, that's horribly unfair. Goblins and Gnomes are a big part of what makes the Warcraft universe great and sets it apart from other fantasy genre stories.
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Re: Interesting Lore Discussion Thread

Postby halabar » Wed Jul 20, 2011 2:37 pm

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Shoju wrote:All this lore talk has me wishing that they would have made Satyr the playable horde faction instead of goblins. That's a storyline I think could have awesome possibilities.


It would also set up some more interesting intra-race dynamics. The goblins are more of a toy race, like gnomes..


Wow, that's horribly unfair. Goblins and Gnomes are abig part of what makes the Warcraft universe great and sets it apart from other fantasy genre stories.


Err... well.. if the boot fits, punt away... :D
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Re: Interesting Lore Discussion Thread

Postby Fetzie » Wed Jul 20, 2011 2:47 pm

halabar wrote:Err... well.. if the boot fits, punt away... :D

I always think of Southpark when I see a gnome...

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The horde wouldn't take in Satyrs, aren't they part of the Burning Legion?
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Re: Interesting Lore Discussion Thread

Postby KysenMurrin » Wed Jul 20, 2011 3:34 pm

Corrupted Night Elves, and the Orcs have plenty of experience with demonic corruption, no? I don't know what would make an entire faction of them turn away from the Legion, though.
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Re: Interesting Lore Discussion Thread

Postby Dantriges » Wed Jul 20, 2011 4:18 pm

The Legion lost two times on Azeroth already, three if you count Kil´Jaeden´s attempt to break through. The final speech of Velen indicated that it would help other worls break free of the Legion´s control or so. Xavius was defeated by Malfurion recently.

Seems taht there is a quest in Felwood where one satyr is turned back.

So perhaps you could make a story that some stayrs saw the writin on the wall and dropped their former allegiances and now try to join the winning team.

If you really want to twist it a bit, perhaps you could let the satyr join the Alliance. The Night Elves are distrustful but inspired by the way how the worgen managed to live with their curse, they give them a chance or so. The ancent ban on arcane magic practiced by night Elves is broken, too.

We really need more members with hooves. :wink:

But well they could also join the Horde.
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Re: Interesting Lore Discussion Thread

Postby alayire » Thu Jul 21, 2011 12:52 am

Dantriges wrote:
Levantine wrote:How the hell are you going from Horde attacks Alliance to "huge amount of hatred that the orcs have against the humans"?


Well I argued previously that it would make more sense if both factions work together to wipe out the cult and attack Deathwing, but everyone said the other faction is a bigger threat, there are old grudges, etc etc

So we start this debate again?

I hought that after two near genocidal wars, 20 years in internment and now a new war, feelings are a bit high. You probably don´t run around on the battlefield with positive emotions for the enemy, you try to disembowel in hand to hand fighting.

It doesn´t really matter to me if you label it violent dislike or huge hatred.
yet you started this "orcs huge amount of hate for the humans" by contrasting it to blood elves dislike of humans.
one is different for you the other is not.

you are empathizing the blood elves because you are looking for reasons to do so, much as you are looking for reasons to hate the orcs. wait .. it's actually orcs hate humans, it's ok to hate them back :P
if you really must insist, the blood elves are not much different from the taurens in their ties to the horde.
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Re: Interesting Lore Discussion Thread

Postby Hokahey » Thu Jul 21, 2011 3:36 am

Satyrs as a playable character would be awesome. The primary underlying reason I keep doing stuff in this game is just to make characters that look cool (to me, anyhow), and a Satyr would do just that. I think a strong argument could be made for it, provided there is room in a given expansion's plot.

It couldn't have been this expansion, really. Races of demons and/or corrupted mortals splitting from the Burning Legion is too huge of a plot to be playing in the backdrop for a "mere" planetary menace.

Mind you, it would be really awesome to learn that the players' thwarting the Legion's efforts, and defeating some of their most powerful members, resulted in the organization itself beginning to splinter. The forces of the Burning Legion turning on each other, their sheer destructive force unleashed in their battles for control threatening the existence of *everything*, and the players have to do their best to keep the destruction minimized on Azeroth. THAT would be an epic storyline. It would give us an excuse to have Outlands (and Draenei, by extension)be relevant again, too.

Conveniently, it would also open the door to some really interesting follow up on abandoned storylines, like certain legendary heroes who went through the Dark Portal and disappeared, never to be seen again.
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Re: Interesting Lore Discussion Thread

Postby Skye1013 » Thu Jul 21, 2011 4:00 am

So... if Satyrs end up joining Horde... what would be the Alliance race... Naga?
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Re: Interesting Lore Discussion Thread

Postby Dantriges » Thu Jul 21, 2011 4:16 am

alayire wrote:yet you started this "orcs huge amount of hate for the humans" by contrasting it to blood elves dislike of humans.
one is different for you the other is not.

you are empathizing the blood elves because you are looking for reasons to do so, much as you are looking for reasons to hate the orcs. wait .. it's actually orcs hate humans, it's ok to hate them back :P
if you really must insist, the blood elves are not much different from the taurens in their ties to the horde.


I meant the orcs probably dislike/have negative emotions towards/hate the humans more than the Blood Elves. It was a they dislike them more than the others statement. Not more.

And my main, my three currently played toons and well most of my characters are Draenei. If I want to hate orcs and blood elves, I don´t have to because of human/orcs and human/bloodelves relationships.

And well I don´t care so much about Warcraft lore, not at all about PvP and very little about fantasy races in pixelverse to reach the necessary amount of emotional investment to hate a faction or race in WoW. Actually I like roleplaying orcs in my current Pen & Paper RPG.
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Re: Interesting Lore Discussion Thread

Postby KysenMurrin » Thu Jul 21, 2011 4:50 am

Skye1013 wrote:So... if Satyrs end up joining Horde... what would be the Alliance race... Naga?

Murlocs.
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Re: Interesting Lore Discussion Thread

Postby Dantriges » Thu Jul 21, 2011 5:35 am

If there wasn´t the issue with the silhouettes I would say High Elves. Perhaps they lean in a different direction. :lol:
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Re: Interesting Lore Discussion Thread

Postby Fetzie » Thu Jul 21, 2011 5:59 am

I think Naga joining the Horde is more likely than Satyrs - they are already allied with the Blood Elves.
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Re: Interesting Lore Discussion Thread

Postby KysenMurrin » Thu Jul 21, 2011 6:07 am

Naga were allied with Kael'thas and Illidan; they're not allied with the Horde Blood Elves. Though I guess they would be more likely to go Horde than Alliance.
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Re: Interesting Lore Discussion Thread

Postby Shoju » Thu Jul 21, 2011 8:06 am

My original hope was that perhaps even just a "tribe" of satyrs joined the Horde. Maybe some tribe already in game, or even better, a tribe we haven't met. They break free of Xavius and realize the folley of their ways. They join the Horde because the Nelves don't trust them, and want to KoS.

For the Alliance, I was thinking about Ogres, though... they are REALLY big.

It is a shame that they want the silhouettes to be so noticeable. I would love to be able to choose Satyr / Ogre and then choose which faction I roll with.

Say.... you have a starting area similar to the Worgen area. Alliance and Horde both rushing in from opposite sides, looking for something other than the race that is there. It would work better with the Satyr, because it could be some thing they need to fend off the legion, and you kill the 'lead' satyr in the final quest, and gain part / half / all of the artifact from killing him, and you can then give it, or have used the help of, the faction that you wish to join. It would be a REALLY cool starting zone, and would introduce incredible player choice.


Personally, I would love this if implemented.
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Re: Interesting Lore Discussion Thread

Postby bldavis » Thu Jul 21, 2011 9:56 am

centaur? (or horde gets centaur, pissing off the tuaren and they defect to the alliance?)
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Re: Interesting Lore Discussion Thread

Postby Shoju » Thu Jul 21, 2011 10:58 am

Centaur are stupid.


Satyr = Win
Ogre = ok
Centaur = stupid
Murloc = too stupid
Naga = weird
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Re: Interesting Lore Discussion Thread

Postby halabar » Thu Jul 21, 2011 11:08 am

Shoju wrote:Centaur are stupid.


Satyr = Win
Ogre = ok
Centaur = stupid
Murloc = too stupid
Naga = weird


Panderan to alliance (with Monk hero class) and tell mainland China to get over it.. Panderans can be small Ogres in their version.
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Re: Interesting Lore Discussion Thread

Postby Aerron » Thu Jul 21, 2011 11:18 am

halabar wrote:Panderan to alliance (with Monk hero class) and tell mainland China to get over it.. Panderans can be small Ogres in their version.


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