Attn: Smokers in the US

[Lightbeard]

After 4 pages this discussion seems to be

Smokers: Smoking doesn't cause cancer, it's all propaganda.

Non-smokers: Smoking contributes to cancer.

[Fivelives]

I don't think anyone's saying that smoking is good for you, or that they don't contribute to the risk of getting cancer.

What I, personally, am saying is that they aren't as bad as they're made out to be. They're bad, but they aren't as bad as the propaganda would have you believe.

[Snake-Aes]

They are pretty much made of bad stuff in a dozen possible senses, complete with things that are right-out stated to be poisons. Kinda like coke-cola. Except it spreads.

[Shyrtandros]

I vote to lock the thread...

Not a fan of watching friends attack friends over personal habits that are more likely to not be altered, everyone of us has been in or seen this debate countless times..

It looks like this horse is dead and deserves no further beatings.. besides some of you are starting to weeze.

[Aubade]

My overall point is.

I like smoking, and I know it's bad for me.

And babies can go screw themselves, pregnant women too.

[Skye1013]

And babies can go screw themselves, pregnant women too.

I knew you were an asshole, but seriously?

[Arnock]

Something tells me that that was said with his tongue firmly planted in his cheek.

[Aubade]

Something tells me that that was said with his tongue firmly planted in his cheek.

No, I seriously hate babies.

Babies = Annoying little snotbags.

I have no plans of ever having them, I hate kids. Until they're around 4-5, Keep them away from me. After 4-5 I find them amusing, so it's okay.

Pregnant women are crazy, and anyone who says otherwise is lying out of their ass.

This being said, I don't wish to harm them, I just don't like them.

[Nikachelle]

Aubade's soooo going to end up with five or six little brats of his own.

[Punkss2]

I have a prego wife at home. I have a 2 year old son at home. Is my wife irrational? Hell yes. Is my son a little spoiled brat? Hell yes.

Do I regret getting married and having kids? HELL NO.

You really can't speak of what you don't know. But, that's my 2 cents.

[Aubade]

I have a prego wife at home. I have a 2 year old son at home. Is my wife irrational? Hell yes. Is my son a little spoiled brat? Hell yes.

Do I regret getting married and having kids? HELL NO.

You really can't speak of what you don't know. But, that's my 2 cents.

Oh, don't get me confused.

I have no issues with pregnant women, or babies.

I just never plan on having kids.

[Melathys]

any person who has ever breathed oxygen has died or will die, ergo, breathing is 100% fatal....

[Fridmarr]

any person who has ever breathed oxygen has died or will die, ergo, breathing is 100% fatal....

Yes, but so is not breathing so there is not an alternative. One can choose not to smoke however.

I have no problem with folks smoking, but if you admit that smoking increases your odds of dying by cancer, you can't really complain about the vernacular stance of smoking causing cancer. You don't need to prove it at an individual level, if you admit it increases the odds, then you are also admitting that someone got cancer and wouldn't have if they did not smoke. Thus, the vernacular is pretty reasonable.

[Arnock]

any person who has ever breathed oxygen has died or will die, ergo, breathing is 100% fatal....

Average time to die when breathing: ~75 years
Average time to die when not breathing: ~6 minutes


I'll take my chances.

[Barathorn]

I have no problem with folks smoking, but if you admit that smoking increases your odds of dying by cancer, you can't really complain about the vernacular stance of smoking causing cancer. You don't need to prove it at an individual level, if you admit it increases the odds, then you are also admitting that someone got cancer and wouldn't have if they did not smoke. Thus, the vernacular is pretty reasonable.

It seems reasonable to the uninformed I agree. To anyone who actually reads about the subject then no that isn't a reasonable stance to take on it.

Smoking is bad for you. No-one disputes that. Cancer however is something that people can get without ever having smoked. If you smoke you have an increased risk of getting cancer but if you smoke it doesn't mean you will get cancer.