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Re: Game of Thrones

Postby Gabe » Tue Apr 19, 2011 3:05 pm

Sabindeus wrote:ugh... camera shake is terrible, I'm sick of it.


Not too found of it either. Just used to it.
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Re: Game of Thrones

Postby Hamuga » Tue Apr 19, 2011 9:42 pm

Hi, long time lurker, had to sign up for this thread.

Rickon is in the show, he looks like he is 7 years old or so.
Sansa said she was 13 when the queen asked.

I really liked the show it felt like a really good adaption to the books.
My wife likes the show but said it felt too rushed.
I think it will slow down a tad in a few episodes after people get hooked to the concept. At the same time they have a lot of info to squeeze into a handful of episodes.

HBO agreed to sign on for a second season, so it must be doing well ratings wise.

If you are reading the books, keep reading, they are amazing.
Book 5 is "set" to come out in June, but he has already missed the due date a bunch of times, so we will have to wait and see.
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Re: Game of Thrones

Postby sapientialb » Wed Apr 20, 2011 3:12 pm

I was surprised at the relatively slow start (for an hour long episode format) even though the books start that way. Oftentimes TV and movie adaptations of books start with something action packed to grab the attention of their ADD viewers.

Its been forever since I read it, so going back through now and on book two. It'll be interesting to see how HBO treats some of the more grotesque scenes. Looking forward to seeing if they can make a certain main character's trek up a mountain to see his/her sister "feel" like it did in the book.
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Re: Game of Thrones

Postby cerwillis » Wed Apr 20, 2011 3:28 pm

FYI folks:
Book 5: A Dance With Dragons - Available July 12, 2011
More than excited here. /changepants
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Re: Game of Thrones

Postby Mannstein » Thu Apr 21, 2011 12:04 pm

Hamuga wrote:
HBO agreed to sign on for a second season, so it must be doing well ratings wise.

If you are reading the books, keep reading, they are amazing.
Book 5 is "set" to come out in June, but he has already missed the due date a bunch of times, so we will have to wait and see.


Trying not to derail but, am i the only one that thought that on fourth book, he completly lost the plot\story\any quality?
C'mon, iirc it was very bad, honestly i just wanted to end, and when it ended, i place it on the special "never to reread/worst book ever" shelf?
(disclamer: Loved the other ones and can't wait for the series)
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Re: Game of Thrones

Postby Aerron » Thu Apr 21, 2011 12:22 pm

Mannstein wrote:Trying not to derail but, am i the only one that thought that on fourth book, he completly lost the plot\story\any quality?
C'mon, iirc it was very bad, honestly i just wanted to end, and when it ended, i place it on the special "never to reread/worst book ever" shelf?
(disclamer: Loved the other ones and can't wait for the series)


I wouldn't categorize it as "very bad" or "never to reread." In fact, I just read it again recently. It's a stage setting novel, preparing for the opening of the next act.

Most of my friends who complain about it generally cite that 1) their favorite characters aren't in it; or 2) they don't like the POV characters that ARE in it. That's more a matter of personal taste, rather than an inherent flaw in quality.
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Re: Game of Thrones

Postby Hamuga » Thu Apr 21, 2011 7:45 pm

Mannstein wrote:
Trying not to derail but, am i the only one that thought that on fourth book, he completly lost the plot\story\any quality?
C'mon, iirc it was very bad, honestly i just wanted to end, and when it ended, i place it on the special "never to reread/worst book ever" shelf?
(disclamer: Loved the other ones and can't wait for the series)


Upon reading this I had a flood of memories come back to me about book 4.
I would change my last statement and say that books 2 and 3 are amazing!
Book 4 is a stage setter for book 5 like Aerron said.
It's not bad, but far from my favorite, and easily the least read.

Now back to waiting for episode 2. (not Attack of the Clones)
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Re: Game of Thrones

Postby sahiel » Mon May 23, 2011 1:28 pm

'A crown... for a king' :D

Series just keeps getting better and better imo, liking the fact Jason Momoa is getting more screen time and actually some lines! Tyrion is still stealing the show though, they really picked the perfect actor to play him, the frustration he felt trying to talk to the gaoler was incredibly well shown.

Can't wait for the next episode!
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Re: Game of Thrones

Postby cerwillis » Mon May 23, 2011 1:38 pm

sahiel wrote:the frustration he felt trying to talk to the gaoler was incredibly well shown.

"The concept of possession can be an abstract one." Got a LOL out of me.
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Re: Game of Thrones

Postby Klaudandus » Mon May 23, 2011 1:55 pm

sahiel wrote:'A crown... for a king' :D

Series just keeps getting better and better imo, liking the fact Jason Momoa is getting more screen time and actually some lines! Tyrion is still stealing the show though, they really picked the perfect actor to play him, the frustration he felt trying to talk to the gaoler was incredibly well shown.

Can't wait for the next episode!


Actually, ever since episode 2 and my jest regarding Sean Bean, I picked up all 4 books at once and have been devouring them -- almost finished with the 4th book actually -- and I must say Tyrion is the best character in the series, both tv show and book, the fact that Peter Dinklage plays him on tv makes it all much the better.

I should note that picking right away on Sean Bean's character due to him being always typecasted made me LOL when I was reading the book.
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Re: Game of Thrones

Postby Brekkie » Tue May 24, 2011 1:20 am

Was it just me, or did the champion with the shield in Tyrion's trial by combat duel seem to really just suck at fighting?

Edit: I think that's actually been a trend of what I've seen of the series so far actually. The swordplay and combat in general is just kind of...lackluster.
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Re: Game of Thrones

Postby cerwillis » Tue May 24, 2011 7:09 am

Brekkie wrote:Was it just me, or did the champion with the shield in Tyrion's trial by combat duel seem to really just suck at fighting?

Edit: I think that's actually been a trend of what I've seen of the series so far actually. The swordplay and combat in general is just kind of...lackluster.

The presence of armor in the books is a very important factor in a number of fights, as is the regard or lack thereof for honor and respect for your opponent. In the case of this fight, it was to show that the contest was between Yoren, a seasoned man of the Night's Watch and a proud Knight of the Vale that had probably never seen combat outside of a tournament. The huge shield and clumsy movements were perhaps heavy-handed, but I believe intended.
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Re: Game of Thrones

Postby KysenMurrin » Tue May 24, 2011 7:16 am

Bronn, a talented sellsword, not Yoren. Yoren went ahead to King's Landing to warn Ned about the Imp's capture.
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Re: Game of Thrones

Postby Sabindeus » Tue May 24, 2011 8:29 am

cerwillis wrote:
Brekkie wrote:Was it just me, or did the champion with the shield in Tyrion's trial by combat duel seem to really just suck at fighting?

Edit: I think that's actually been a trend of what I've seen of the series so far actually. The swordplay and combat in general is just kind of...lackluster.

The presence of armor in the books is a very important factor in a number of fights, as is the regard or lack thereof for honor and respect for your opponent. In the case of this fight, it was to show that the contest was between Yoren, a seasoned man of the Night's Watch and a proud Knight of the Vale that had probably never seen combat outside of a tournament. The huge shield and clumsy movements were perhaps heavy-handed, but I believe intended.


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Re: Game of Thrones

Postby Aerron » Tue May 24, 2011 8:35 am

I didn't get to see this weekend's episode, so I don't know if this was spelled out in the show or not:

In that fight, Lady Lysa demands that her champion wear the armor and bear the sword of the fallen Jon Arryn, to honor him. In the book, there's some good discussion about how the armor doesnt' really fit him, and the sword was a ceremonial blade never really intended for combat. He fights his equipment even more than he fights Bronn.

But Lysa's freakin' nuts and tossing ppl out a window, so no one is willing to nay-say her, so dude wears the armor and uses the sword and gets his ass kicked. If she'd allowed him to use his own armor and pick his own weapon, might have been a different outcome.
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Re: Game of Thrones

Postby KysenMurrin » Tue May 24, 2011 9:00 am

I just read the book again recently, and I believe a comment is made about how ornate his armor is compared to Bronn's practical gear, but not that it wasn't his own armor. The sword was indeed Jon Arryn's, though, and unfamiliar to him.
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Re: Game of Thrones

Postby cerwillis » Tue May 24, 2011 10:25 am

Doh'! How did I forget Bronn?
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Re: Game of Thrones

Postby Brekkie » Tue May 24, 2011 12:16 pm

Even so, he was stumbling around and body-slamming into walls as if he couldn't see through his visor and tripping over stuff, and the mercenary was barely even doing anything. He parried like 3 times and pranced about a little bit and mostly just watched the other guy make a fool of himself and almost hack casual bystanders by accident.

Good point about the shield though. Normally a shield is a huge advantage but I remember thinking about how it was foolish to use a normal style kite shield, since those are designed for a mounted horseman in order to protect the left leg and are too unwieldy to use on foot.
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Re: Game of Thrones

Postby KysenMurrin » Tue May 24, 2011 1:13 pm

He actually couldn't see through his visor - it's a narrow slit, and Bronn (in the book) uses that to his advantage.

The people in Lysa's court, Ser Vardis included, aren't much good at doing anything but try to please her in the hopes that they can marry the current Regent of the Vale.
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Re: Game of Thrones

Postby Brekkie » Tue May 24, 2011 10:39 pm

I have a helmet like that. In fact, I have a full suit of armor like that. And a shield like his. Those helmets are not that difficult to see through. The main way your vision is restricted is the ability to look downward at your own feet, but side and front vision is barely hindered at all.
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Re: Game of Thrones

Postby Paxen » Wed May 25, 2011 3:35 am

Bronn is a very experienced fighter who knows how to use every little detail to his advantage (that's only shown later in the books, though, when he prefers to watch men practice fighting rather than ogle girls), while I guess Ser Vardis is perhaps meant to have little real combat experience, mostly limited to tourneys and not used to fighting lightly armored opponents that actually know what they're doing. I think drawing out the fight against an opponent with more armor is a valid strategy, the way I've heard it is that while armor doesn't actually hamper movement much at all, it does tire you out pretty quickly.

Of course, my presumptions break down when you consider that Ser Vardis should have been fighting the wild men in the mountains a lot - lightly armored but skilled fighters shouldn't be anything new to him.

Edit: what I dislike most on the show is that they use a lot of stage-fighting instead of trying to make the fights more real. It might make the fights more boring and confusing, but it would have fit the tone of the show.
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Re: Game of Thrones

Postby Brekkie » Wed May 25, 2011 1:27 pm

what I dislike most on the show is that they use a lot of stage-fighting instead of trying to make the fights more real. It might make the fights more boring and confusing, but it would have fit the tone of the show.


THATS IT! I think you managed to lay a finger on what was bothering me. They really are doing the whole stage combat thing, with very deliberate, over exaggerated swings and parries at a slow enough pace for the audience to keep up, rather than gritty "real" fighting style which I think would fit more with the way the show is done.
Probably a directing issue, or due to the background of the fighting choreographer.
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Re: Game of Thrones

Postby cerwillis » Wed May 25, 2011 2:00 pm

Brekkie,
I would be curious to know which movies/shows you would give as examples of "getting it right" as far as armored sword combat goes. One of the most epic examples I can think of is 1981's Excalibur. I think they get it pretty close in that one, where any skilled combat is done in the first minute, everything after that is just trying to keep your feet under you and hoping to land the big blow that knocks your opponent off balance.

I didn't get the stage-fighting feel that you guys saw in GoT, but I'll admit I only watched it once.
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Re: Game of Thrones

Postby Paxen » Wed May 25, 2011 2:03 pm

I was reading up on this over at The ARMA (renaissance fighting revival guys) and some dude there recommended the final duel from Rob Roy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27M5KWI_q50

(Well, they didn't really like the end of the duel, but the hero must win.)

edit: that's obviously unarmored sword combat. I'll try to look around more, mostly because I want to see it myself.
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Re: Game of Thrones

Postby cerwillis » Wed May 25, 2011 2:14 pm

Paxen wrote:I was reading up on this over at The ARMA (renaissance fighting revival guys) and some dude there recommended the final duel from Rob Roy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27M5KWI_q50

(Well, they didn't really like the end of the duel, but the hero must win.)

edit: that's obviously unarmored sword combat. I'll try to look around more, mostly because I want to see it myself.
Heh, yeah I was going to see you that and raise you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7zvffHu_wo
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