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Graphics Card Question

Postby isiz » Fri Apr 01, 2011 7:23 am

So I have been looking in to getting Rift, but I'm not sure I meet the system requirements. Everything but the video card seems to be okay but I have no idea how to tell if my card is better than the requirements.

I have a GeForce 7300 LE. The minimum requirement is a GeForce FX 5900 and the recommended is a GeForce GTS 250. Now I have no idea how to compare cards of different series. Do I need a better video card to play Rift with at least the minimum requirements or am I able to play as is (disregarding how well it will play)?
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Re: Graphics Card Question

Postby Daeren » Fri Apr 01, 2011 7:40 am

I don't remember the strength of the 7300 LE, but it's a pretty weak card. It's the entry level of a 6 year old graphic card series.
You can buy some really cheap new ones and have a huge upgrade. If the minimum is FX 5900, then your card is too slow and old for Rift.

Here's a nice guide (at the hierarchy char you can see the 7300 LE 4 steps down from 5900):
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/rad ... ,2857.html

In any case, a 50$ card will net you a significant upgrade, and from there's it's all upwards. In any case, a newer card will upgrade your computer by simply being able to decode HD video with better quality and less strain on your CPU.
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Re: Graphics Card Question

Postby Skye1013 » Sat Apr 02, 2011 8:24 am

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Re: Graphics Card Question

Postby Fridmarr » Sat Apr 02, 2011 9:17 am

Skye1013 wrote:FYI, there is a Tech Stuff forum now.

Indeed, I've gone ahead and moved it to the proper forum.
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Re: Graphics Card Question

Postby Gorlando » Sat Apr 02, 2011 2:43 pm

I would recommend that you stick with an Nvidia card. Some AMD cards (not all) have struggled with Rift, including the newer, higher-end models. Hopefully there will be some sort of update to fix this problem eventually.
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Re: Graphics Card Question

Postby laterna » Sat Apr 02, 2011 3:59 pm

Currently, the newer cards follow a pretty easy naming pattern


480 for example. The 4 is the series number, so 5 is better than 4 etc. 8 is always their top end card of the series. if its a 9 there, it means its a dual GPU setup, as in, two GPU cores in 1 card. These are super expensive too :p. Thats the nVidia naming scheme.

Radeon on the other hand names their cards in a general pattern, with small changes to confuse people every now and again.

Their current best series is the 6xxx
6850 is the entry card,
6870 a step higher
6970 the best single core card
6990 dual core card

If you can go for it, a GTX460 would be a good upgrade for you, but before you do that, please give us all the specifications of your computer. If you're running a 7300LE your PSU might not be up for it, the motherboard might be an AGP instead of PCI-E etc
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Re: Graphics Card Question

Postby isiz » Sat Apr 02, 2011 9:04 pm

I'm using a 6yr old Dell Dimension E510:
http://www.pcworld.com/product/28578/de ... ml?p=specs

But with:
2x Pentium4 3Ghz.
2GB RAM
and of course the GeForce 7300 LE graphics card


I'm about to graduate with a degree in graphic design so I have been looking into getting an iMac. If I get a 21.5" iMac it comes with a 3.2GHz Intel Core i3 processor and an ATI Radeon HD 5670 with 512MB video card.

http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/s ... amily/imac (second from the left)

If I dual-boot Windows 7, do you think it could run Rift okay? Otherwise I guess I should look into upgrading my Dell.
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Re: Graphics Card Question

Postby Gorlando » Sat Apr 02, 2011 9:25 pm

isiz wrote:I'm using a 6yr old Dell Dimension E510:
http://www.pcworld.com/product/28578/de ... ml?p=specs

But with:
2x Pentium4 3Ghz.
2GB RAM
and of course the GeForce 7300 LE graphics card


I'm about to graduate with a degree in graphic design so I have been looking into getting an iMac. If I get a 21.5" iMac it comes with a 3.2GHz Intel Core i3 processor and an ATI Radeon HD 5670 with 512MB video card.

http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/s ... amily/imac (second from the left)

If I dual-boot Windows 7, do you think it could run Rift okay? Otherwise I guess I should look into upgrading my Dell.

You'd probably want 1 GB of memory on your graphics card in order to get better performance. The build isn't terrible, but you could build a much better PC for the same price. It depends how well you want your computer to run games versus how much you want a Mac for graphic design (and your comfort level with building a PC).
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Re: Graphics Card Question

Postby laterna » Sat Apr 02, 2011 10:23 pm

Okay seriously, I object heartily to most mac users. Sure back when macs had RISK based processors, they might have been better at graphic design. But right now, with so many OS X ports, and 2x performance for the same bucks, why on earth would you go for a mac? Is the program you're using 100% mac exclusive? I don't get it :?

I made this comparison between a 2 thousand pounds iMac with my new rig. Mine was an i7 2600k, 570 GPU, 64gb SSD, 8 gigabyte of RAM which costed around 1800 quid, including the screen and everything else. The iMac was 2050 pounds, with an 1st generation i5, 6 gigs of ram, an 5750 and no ssd. Still people bought the mac, I just don't see it, whats the connection, how much of a difference does a mac give or a normal PC? I know that there is absolutely no hardware level difference right now, and I'm pretty sure that the OS X port that allows me to use OS X in windows would work on any application so whats the deal? Are you willing to shell out 50% of the pricetag just to have an apple in the back and a white color on your pc?
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Re: Graphics Card Question

Postby gibborim » Sat Apr 02, 2011 10:25 pm

isiz wrote:I'm about to graduate with a degree in graphic design so I have been looking into getting an iMac. If I get a 21.5" iMac it comes with a 3.2GHz Intel Core i3 processor and an ATI Radeon HD 5670 with 512MB video card.

http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/s ... amily/imac (second from the left)

If I dual-boot Windows 7, do you think it could run Rift okay? Otherwise I guess I should look into upgrading my Dell.


Not to be a Mac hater, but buying a Mac and then dual-booting is a pretty good way to minimize the bang you get for your buck. You are already paying a hefty premium for the form factor and polished user experience and then you have to pay a bunch more money for a Windows 7 license? Apple also backs it all up with fairly low-end hardware. Core i3? 4GB RAM? 2nd/3rd tier graphics card?

For the same money, you could build a PC that crushes the life out of two iMacs working together. Using an SSD, your PC could boot up twice or thrice in the time it takes those iMacs to boot up once.

Also, are you likely to have to do a lot of higher quality rendering? If so, I redirect your attention to the face-melting power/cost ratio of a PC vesus that of a Mac.
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Re: Graphics Card Question

Postby gibborim » Sat Apr 02, 2011 10:32 pm

laterna wrote:Okay seriously, I object heartily to most mac users. Sure back when macs had RISK based processors, they might have been better at graphic design. But right now, with so many OS X ports, and 2x performance for the same bucks, why on earth would you go for a mac? Is the program you're using 100% mac exclusive? I don't get it :?


I've always figured it was a combination of butt-hurt over BSoDs in 3.11-ME, non-power users who cling to the clean interface, and raw hipster-ism. What really confuses me are all the IT sector people who fall all over themselves running to hug their Macs.
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Re: Graphics Card Question

Postby Talaii » Sun Apr 03, 2011 12:42 am

laterna wrote:I made this comparison between a 2 thousand pounds iMac with my new rig. Mine was an i7 2600k, 570 GPU, 64gb SSD, 8 gigabyte of RAM which costed around 1800 quid, including the screen and everything else. The iMac was 2050 pounds, with an 1st generation i5, 6 gigs of ram, an 5750 and no ssd. Still people bought the mac, I just don't see it, whats the connection, how much of a difference does a mac give or a normal PC? I know that there is absolutely no hardware level difference right now, and I'm pretty sure that the OS X port that allows me to use OS X in windows would work on any application so whats the deal? Are you willing to shell out 50% of the pricetag just to have an apple in the back and a white color on your pc?


The comparison is a lot closer once you add in a proper (IPS; dell Ultrasharp or equivalent) monitor. Still get a price premium over building it yourself, but the difference is minor.

For example: The 27" imac (top-end, i5-760, radeon 5750, etc) is US$1999. Just the screen on it's own (Mac Cinema display) is $999; a Dell U2711 (fairly comparable screen) is $1099. That means you're only really paying about a grand for the computer. You could build a better computer than that imac for a grand, probably, but the difference would be fairly minor.

Of course, a lot of people don't care about monitor quality, and would rather some cheap and nasty TN panel with 6-bit colour. But good IPS panels are expensive, and the imacs come with one built in.
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Re: Graphics Card Question

Postby knaughty » Sun Apr 03, 2011 4:17 am

gibborim wrote:What really confuses me are all the IT sector people who fall all over themselves running to hug their Macs.


Yeah, it's like utterly inexplicable why so many long-term computing experts are switching to OS X.... It's like they must have some weird special expertise that tells them that buying quality makes sense...

/endsarcasm

PCs are only cheaper than Macs if you value your time at $0 per hour.

The real issues with being a Mac user are:
  • Dealing with idiots calling you a cultist...
  • No "Cheap Expandable Tower" option.
  • Not a great gaming platform
  • No crapbook Netbook. OMG, get an iPad FFS
  • iMacs have very high-end screens built in.
  • Mac Pros are workstations not desktops, and (competitively) priced to suit that market. IE: expensive.
  • Mac Minis are kinda gutless, especially on the GPU front

The only "standard price mass market" option they make is their laptop range. These are cheaper that equivalent alternatives. Yes, FFS, cheaper. I know of a large corporation that is switching to Apples running Windows for their laptop fleet because it gives better bang-per-buck that Dell/HP (once you include maintenance costs for a large fleet of shitty WinTel laptops).

The standard "PC Gamer has the following criteria:
  • Thinks he's a PC expert.
  • Thinks spending hours debugging driver/OS issues is "Fun"
  • Like to overclock/abuse/break/hack his hardware.
  • Wants to pick the GPU that came out 15 seconds ago.
  • Is fine with using a shitty 6-bit display, so long as it's huge (Inches > Quality....)
  • Can't afford / doesn't need a workstation (WTF is he going to do with 12 cores? Crysis uses what... 2?)
  • Wants to play Windows only games

Guess, what, if that's your criteria, then Macs look like snake oil.

Here's my criteria:
  • Powerful
  • Reliable
  • Runs MS Office (this one is fading fast, I haven't used office at home in a couple of years)
  • Requires zero minutes a year of maintenance. Pressing "Next -> OK" on an "Upgrade you OS" popup doesn't count. In ten years as a Mac user I've had zero hardware failures and no significant software problems.


PS: That entire "PC Gamer" list applied to me for the whole of the 1990s. I know you because I was you! :P

PPS: I've been a "Personal Computer" user since 1982. I've seen a lot of platforms come and go.
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Re: Graphics Card Question

Postby Levantine » Sun Apr 03, 2011 4:30 am

Does thinking OSX is stupid count as a legitimate reason to use PC? I mean sure I could bootcamp a mac, but that kills one of the pros you listed of no maintenance and tinkering.

PS Fuck OSX.
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Re: Graphics Card Question

Postby knaughty » Sun Apr 03, 2011 4:40 am

Levantine wrote:Does thinking OSX is stupid count as a legitimate reason to use PC? I mean sure I could bootcamp a mac, but that kills one of the pros you listed of no maintenance and tinkering.

PS Fuck OSX.

About as valid as my Fucking god I'm fucking sick of fucking Windoze.

IE: No, not really.

Interestingly, I've been using an XP box at work for the last two years and it's never blue-screened. Fucking record.

Stupid thing dies in the goddamn arse every time it goes into hibernate with Outlook or Office running, however, so I either have to shut down every single program or reboot the fucker every morning or log off every night.

PS: Stupid PoS takes 10 mins to load profile. My god our AD is a PoS.
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