Remove Advertisements

japan tsunami

Invisusira's playground

Moderators: Aergis, Invisusira

Re: japan tsunami

Postby bldavis » Thu Mar 17, 2011 3:50 pm

imho the goverment is fair game for poking fun at
but when our soldiers are over there fighting and dying, that isn't anything funny
just because someone makes fun of something, doesnt mean you have to laugh.
i dont rage at idiots who make fun of the war, but i dont applaud either
and yes, tragedy is countered by comedy, but there are other forms of comedy that can be employed. hell there is more then enough other crap to make fun of. Have they ran out of charlie sheen coke jokes?

i am on of the ppl, when i see a soldier walking through an airport, i will go up and shake their hand and tell them thank you for their service, or i will do something to that effect

i donate blood every 2 months.
do i do it to make my self feel better and look better to my friends? no
i do it to save lives
i have been doing it for almost 4 yrs
in fact i am almost to my 3gallon mark.

human tragedy is not funny, and tbh the ones who say god is remembering Pearl Harbor....WTF
wasnt getting the only nukes ever used in war used on your homeland enough for that?

i pray for everyone who has family in japan, esp the ones that are still unaccounted for.
Image

Brekkie:Tanks are like shitty DPS. And healers are like REALLY distracted DPS
Amirya:Why yes, your penis is longer than his because you hit 30k dps in the first 10 seconds. But guess what? That raid boss has a dick bigger than your ego.
Flex:I don't make mistakes. I execute carefully planned strategic group wipes.
Levie:(in /g) It's weird, I have a collar and I dont know where I got it from, Worgen are kinky!
Levie:Drunk Lev goes and does what he pleases just to annoy sober Lev.
Sagara:You see, you need to *spread* the bun before you insert the hot dog.
User avatar
bldavis
 
Posts: 7347
Joined: Mon Sep 07, 2009 12:04 pm
Location: Searching for myself. If i get back before I return, please have me stop and wait for myself.

Re: japan tsunami

Postby mew » Thu Mar 17, 2011 6:05 pm

I find it better to try to make light of bad situations. You can do what you can to help, but beyond a certain point all you have to do is wait. You can wait in depressed tension or try to liven things up.
Soon after my dad was arrested I would make the occasional joke about it. Usually my sister and mom would laugh, but my brother would get offended/mad at me (he is the more high strung one, he can't let things go, if something is upsetting he won't let himself relax, etc). But I'm sure if it was someone outside of the family making jokes like that they would almost always come off as offensive because you don't know their intent, whether they meant it in a joking or in a partially-serious way.

So it is hard to tell really. I would take an apology after offense as they were not telling jokes maliciously.

Everyone has something they can be offended about, but that doesn't mean everyone should easily be offended.
ImageImage
User avatar
mew
 
Posts: 1903
Joined: Sat Sep 27, 2008 5:42 pm
Location: US

Re: japan tsunami

Postby Flex » Thu Mar 17, 2011 8:49 pm

mew wrote:Everyone has something they can be offended about, but that doesn't mean everyone should easily be offended.


Or that their taking offense is of more importance than someone's right to make a joke.
We live in a society where people born on third base constantly try to steal second, yet we expect people born with two strikes against them to hit a homerun on the first pitch.
User avatar
Flex
 
Posts: 7499
Joined: Tue Jul 10, 2007 7:29 am

Re: japan tsunami

Postby Skye1013 » Fri Mar 18, 2011 2:54 am

Image

Some of you may be offended by that, but I kind of feel the same way as the comic... if you can't accept what I'm willing to donate, then you can do without.

Also... I'm in the military... currently deployed, and I still make jokes. It's partially a defense mechanism (to keep what little sanity I have left.)

I personally don't think Gilbert (or the majority of other people that are making jokes) are meaning them in any negative way. It's not really any different than comedians making jokes about celebrities after they die. I'm sure it won't be long before South Park has an episode about the Tsunami. They've joked about everything else, somehow I doubt this would be any different. A lot of people just tend to take the jokes the wrong way or can't stand having fun poked at them (but it's okay for other people to be joked about... so long as it isn't personal to their viewpoints... like Chef from South Park quitting due to the Scientology episodes.)

People need to just realize that most of those people making jokes are just trying to lighten up the situation... things generally don't seem as bad if you can find something to laugh about. And if you can't laugh at yourself, who can you laugh at?
"me no gay, me friends gay, me no like you call me gay, you dumb dumb" -bldavis
"Here are the values that I stand for: I stand for honesty, equality, kindness, compassion, treating people the way you wanna be treated, and helping those in need. To me, those are traditional values. That’s what I stand for." -Ellen Degeneres
"I'm not going to censor myself to comfort your ignorance." -Jon Stewart
Horde: Clopin Dylon Sharkbait Xiaman Metria Metapriest
Alliance: Schatze Aleks Deegee Baileyi Sotanaht Danfer Shazta Rawrsalot Roobyroo
User avatar
Skye1013
Maintankadonor
 
Posts: 3918
Joined: Tue May 18, 2010 5:47 am
Location: JBPH-Hickam, Hawaii

Re: japan tsunami

Postby Masumi » Fri Mar 18, 2011 3:21 am

I gotten to the point were I can't cry anymore Flex. All I feel is pity for your lack of humanity, to be able to laugh even at the expense of your cousin's death.
Want to know how I am currently feeling? listen to the music in this link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcdNWYUMZpo
Image
User avatar
Masumi
 
Posts: 216
Joined: Mon Dec 06, 2010 4:53 pm

Re: japan tsunami

Postby bldavis » Fri Mar 18, 2011 4:02 am

there is a difference between making jokes and trying to lighten the mood, and making jokes at the expense of those suffering.

i understand being deployed and making jokes as a defense mechanism, the part i have a problem with is people here at home that wouldn't dare risk it themselves making fun of those who are deployed.

as an example, if i was to make jokes about hotel guests, i bet a few of you would be offended by some of them.
but some of my other friends that are/have been desk clerks would rolfmao at them.

after 9/11 happened, my dad went back east to volunteer with Red Cross.
he came back and told us about ppl making jokes there just so they didnt cry, but he came close to losing it when someone here made teh same comments about what had happened.

this illustrates most of our points.
its a matter of perspective.
sure joking can help relieve stress, but if not in the right context then it is just hurtful and wrong.

someone looking through rubble in japan may make up jokes to ease the pain and sorrow they are feeling.
Does that give a comedian a right to make the same jokes?
Image

Brekkie:Tanks are like shitty DPS. And healers are like REALLY distracted DPS
Amirya:Why yes, your penis is longer than his because you hit 30k dps in the first 10 seconds. But guess what? That raid boss has a dick bigger than your ego.
Flex:I don't make mistakes. I execute carefully planned strategic group wipes.
Levie:(in /g) It's weird, I have a collar and I dont know where I got it from, Worgen are kinky!
Levie:Drunk Lev goes and does what he pleases just to annoy sober Lev.
Sagara:You see, you need to *spread* the bun before you insert the hot dog.
User avatar
bldavis
 
Posts: 7347
Joined: Mon Sep 07, 2009 12:04 pm
Location: Searching for myself. If i get back before I return, please have me stop and wait for myself.

Re: japan tsunami

Postby Fivelives » Fri Mar 18, 2011 4:19 am

Today's tragedy is tomorrow's comedy. That saying has always held true. And yes, bldavis. Comedians are "allowed" to joke about anything and everything. That's something that's been a part of our collective consciousness since european monarchs took court jesters. To quote (or paraphrase) George Carlin:

People say there are some things you shouldn't joke about. Some things that just aren't funny. Like rape, they say "rape isn't funny", and I say bullshit. Picture Porky Pig raping Daffy Duck.


Let me give you a little anecdote:

I was deployed to a refugee camp just outside Kosovo, and it was a site for a mass grave as well. Hundreds and hundreds of dead men, women and children were piled unceremoniously next to a couple of pieces of heavy equipment that were being used to dig trenches. The air reeked of crushed limestone and decay. The workers were dropping corpses into the freshly dug trenches layer by layer, and dumping lime on top of them. Up until that point, I still believed in the inherent goodness of man; I think that if I were to have to pick one experience that turned me into a cynical misanthrope, this would be it.

I couldn't handle it. I had two choices: laugh about it, or have a nervous breakdown - if you've ever seen a "Faces of Death" video, multiply that horror by about a factor of ten thousand and you'll have an inkling of just how bad it was. So, my crew and I decided to set up one of the folding card tables and a couple of chairs we had laying around camp and posed 4 of the corpses around the table like they were playing poker. We took pictures and had them developed when we got back to "civilization", then wrote funny anecdotes on the backs of them like "dead man's hand" and such.

Is that story funny to you? Probably not. But it's an example of what rational, reasonable beings will do under unfathomable stress. Humor is a defense mechanism, no matter how bleak or black it might be. People spewing hatred on the other hand (like those that are blaming the disasters on Pearl Harbor) is not.
- I'm not Jesus, but I can turn water into Kool-Aid.
- A Sergeant in motion outranks an officer who doesn't know what the hell is going on.
- A demolitions specialist at a flat run outranks everybody.
User avatar
Fivelives
 
Posts: 3106
Joined: Sat Feb 16, 2008 7:55 pm

Re: japan tsunami

Postby bldavis » Fri Mar 18, 2011 5:23 am

joking about past events is fine...they arent tearing open wounds that are just starting to scab over and heal
as more time passes, there will be less and less ppl with open gaping holes in there lives from this.
and it will become more and more acceptable to joke about it.

and your story just proved my point.
you used humor as a defense mechanism.
just about any of us would think that was sickening and wrong, but for you it was that or basically have your life and outlook on life flipped upside down.
there are countless stories like that. I had a neighbor growing up that lived through Pearl Harbor, and went on to serve through the entire war, clear til being on the USS Tennessee across Tokyo Bay from the Missouri when the Japanese surrendered. He said during battles, some of his shipmates would take bets on which ships would go down.
it was the only he could cope with realizing he is seeing his buddies get blown up, burned, or out in the water as shark bait. (oo ha ha)

i never said that comedians weren't allowed, ok yes i asked does that give them the right to, but i never said they are not allowed to
no matter what happens there will be a person who thinks something is funny, no matter how tragic.


the real difference is using tragedy of today as comedy for today. give the wounds time to heal, and it is fine. i can think of several WWI jokes about trench warfare. does that make WWI any less tragic and horrific? no it just means that it has been long enough and we have had those wounds time to heal.
Image

Brekkie:Tanks are like shitty DPS. And healers are like REALLY distracted DPS
Amirya:Why yes, your penis is longer than his because you hit 30k dps in the first 10 seconds. But guess what? That raid boss has a dick bigger than your ego.
Flex:I don't make mistakes. I execute carefully planned strategic group wipes.
Levie:(in /g) It's weird, I have a collar and I dont know where I got it from, Worgen are kinky!
Levie:Drunk Lev goes and does what he pleases just to annoy sober Lev.
Sagara:You see, you need to *spread* the bun before you insert the hot dog.
User avatar
bldavis
 
Posts: 7347
Joined: Mon Sep 07, 2009 12:04 pm
Location: Searching for myself. If i get back before I return, please have me stop and wait for myself.

Re: japan tsunami

Postby Gracerath » Fri Mar 18, 2011 6:13 am

Words only hurt if you allow them to.

Except Facebook. Allowing them or not, they always give me a headache. Especially now with this situation.
Bye space sword!
User avatar
Gracerath
Maintankadonor
 
Posts: 888
Joined: Sat Sep 08, 2007 10:19 pm

Re: japan tsunami

Postby Flex » Fri Mar 18, 2011 8:40 am

Masumi wrote:I gotten to the point were I can't cry anymore Flex. All I feel is pity for your lack of humanity, to be able to laugh even at the expense of your cousin's death.


Wow, way to not even read anything I typed. I said I don't get my feelings hurt by someone I don't know/don't care about making jokes about something that affects me. The WBC was up at the funneral a ways away, sure it sucks that they do it but they have the right to do it.

bldavis wrote:joking about past events is fine...they arent tearing open wounds that are just starting to scab over and heal


Got it. The Holocaust, Rwandan genocide and AIDS are prime material for jokes. An extremely dangerous territory to tread when you try to decide when something has had enough time to heal to make jokes, the safe bet is to not place a limit.
We live in a society where people born on third base constantly try to steal second, yet we expect people born with two strikes against them to hit a homerun on the first pitch.
User avatar
Flex
 
Posts: 7499
Joined: Tue Jul 10, 2007 7:29 am

Re: japan tsunami

Postby Skye1013 » Fri Mar 18, 2011 9:43 am

Didn't you know? South Park said it's okay to make fun of AIDeS!
"me no gay, me friends gay, me no like you call me gay, you dumb dumb" -bldavis
"Here are the values that I stand for: I stand for honesty, equality, kindness, compassion, treating people the way you wanna be treated, and helping those in need. To me, those are traditional values. That’s what I stand for." -Ellen Degeneres
"I'm not going to censor myself to comfort your ignorance." -Jon Stewart
Horde: Clopin Dylon Sharkbait Xiaman Metria Metapriest
Alliance: Schatze Aleks Deegee Baileyi Sotanaht Danfer Shazta Rawrsalot Roobyroo
User avatar
Skye1013
Maintankadonor
 
Posts: 3918
Joined: Tue May 18, 2010 5:47 am
Location: JBPH-Hickam, Hawaii

Re: japan tsunami

Postby katraya » Fri Mar 18, 2011 9:53 am

Skye1013 wrote:Didn't you know? South Park said it's okay to make fun of AIDeS!


They had a whole episode about how it's ok to make fun of things after ten years. Curious to see what that will mean as some other tragedies reach the ten year mark but I haven't watched the shows in ages.
Image
User avatar
katraya
Maintankadonor
 
Posts: 2111
Joined: Fri Sep 05, 2008 7:45 am

Re: japan tsunami

Postby Passionario » Fri Mar 18, 2011 10:16 am

laterna wrote:How does japan's issues qualify for more "charity" over an african village with no water, medicine or food?


Giving charitable aid to Japan (or any other country/region that was affected by a sudden and unpredictable disaster) is like healing a raid member who got hit with a randomly targeted Fireball that reduced them to low HP. If you deliver enough aid, they will eventually recover and live on without further support.

Giving charity to the suffering people of Third World countries, on other hand, is like trying to heal someone who got snared (or disconnected) in the middle of a void zone. Until the underlying systematic cause of their problem is fixed, any reprieve will be a temporary and short-lived one.

In a perfect world with infinite mana/money, you'd help both in equal measure. But in reality (virtual or otherwise), you've got to prioritize somehow.
If you are not the flame, you're the fuel.
User avatar
Passionario
 
Posts: 3349
Joined: Tue Jul 17, 2007 2:52 am

Re: japan tsunami

Postby Tenaka » Fri Mar 18, 2011 10:41 am

Passionario wrote:
laterna wrote:How does japan's issues qualify for more "charity" over an african village with no water, medicine or food?


Giving charitable aid to Japan (or any other country/region that was affected by a sudden and unpredictable disaster) is like healing a raid member who got hit with a randomly targeted Fireball that reduced them to low HP. If you deliver enough aid, they will eventually recover and live on without further support.

Giving charity to the suffering people of Third World countries, on other hand, is like trying to heal someone who got snared (or disconnected) in the middle of a void zone. Until the underlying systematic cause of their problem is fixed, any reprieve will be a temporary and short-lived one.

In a perfect world with infinite mana/money, you'd help both in equal measure. But in reality (virtual or otherwise), you've got to prioritize somehow.


That is a fantastic way of looking at the situation. Thank you.
Tenaka
 
Posts: 163
Joined: Thu Sep 25, 2008 2:58 am

Re: japan tsunami

Postby Flipthebird » Fri Mar 18, 2011 11:02 am

The internet is where the jokes get dangerous.

It all depends on who you are joking with. My friends and I can make racist jokes, jokes about the holocaust, jokes about Katrina, etc. and be fine with it. But, we will NOT make those jokes around people we think could take offense to them. Just because you think something is funny, and it's alright if you do, doesn't mean everyone else should be able to laugh about it as well.

And, just because you may not ever get offended by words, doesn't mean everyone else should be able to shrug em off like you. We're people. We're different. If you think that making a joke is more important than the feelings of the people around you, then you have some serious self-reflection to do because you are way too selfish of a human being to even be around other people.

If you want to joke about the Japan tragedy, do so with people who will laugh with you. Don't being it somewhere people will get offended by it. There's no reason for that except you simply like to hurt the feelings of others. And that's just being a terrible human being.
So Hitler was a vegatarian, and a painter.

He must of been like, 'Ahh I can't get the fricken trees...DAMN I will kill EVERYBODY in the world!"

-Eddie Izzard
Flipthebird
 
Posts: 499
Joined: Fri May 23, 2008 9:42 am
Location: Texas

PreviousNext

Return to Arkham Asylum

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Delphineas and 1 guest


Remove Advertisements

Who is online

In total there are 2 users online :: 1 registered, 0 hidden and 1 guest (based on users active over the past 5 minutes)
Most users ever online was 380 on Tue Oct 14, 2008 6:28 pm

Users browsing this forum: Delphineas and 1 guest