LoH off the GCD ... !!

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Re: LoH off the GCD ... !!

Postby fuzzygeek » Tue Feb 08, 2011 2:27 pm

Sabindeus wrote:Paladin A: Did your cooldown get used?
Paladin B: Yeah, did yours?
Paladin A: Yeah.
Paladins A&B: fffffffffffff


Ah, I see. Thanks!
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Re: LoH off the GCD ... !!

Postby Zonzede » Tue Feb 08, 2011 3:32 pm

Forget Lay on Hands.
Stoneform doesn't trigger the GCD anymore!
THIS is worth celebrating.
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Re: LoH off the GCD ... !!

Postby Fetzie » Tue Feb 08, 2011 4:36 pm

On the subject of CS no longer generating holy power when it doesn't land:

Thanks for the reports, however this is intended.

Holy Power should not be generated on Dodge, Parry, Block, Miss.



Source: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic ... ?page=2#29

brb getting hit and expertise capped.
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Re: LoH off the GCD ... !!

Postby fuzzygeek » Tue Feb 08, 2011 5:10 pm

Pyrea wrote:On the subject of CS no longer generating holy power when it doesn't land:

Thanks for the reports, however this is intended.

Holy Power should not be generated on Dodge, Parry, Block, Miss.



Source: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic ... ?page=2#29

brb getting hit and expertise capped.


Make sure you're hard xpt capped, as you'll need 56 to push dodge off the table!
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Re: LoH off the GCD ... !!

Postby Fetzie » Tue Feb 08, 2011 5:18 pm

26 is enough for dodge, 56 is for parry :)
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Re: LoH off the GCD ... !!

Postby fuzzygeek » Tue Feb 08, 2011 5:47 pm

Pyrea wrote:26 is enough for dodge, 56 is for parry :)


Whups, yes. I'm being facetious here. I don't think I'm going to change my gearset at all tbqh.
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Re: LoH off the GCD ... !!

Postby Beefchief » Tue Feb 08, 2011 8:48 pm

This is a significant nerf. My expertise and hit are all reforged away into CTC, and now it takes a lot longer to build up holy power. Ugh.
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Re: LoH off the GCD ... !!

Postby PsiVen » Wed Feb 09, 2011 1:29 am

After 5 hours of raiding tonight, I've come to the conclusion that I don't give a shit about the holy power lost from missed attacks. It's a nerf sure, but it's only slightly more annoying than having to ShoR 5 times in a row because I keep missing, or using Divine Plea for an instant 3HP WoG at the same time as an Eternal Glory proc.

Treck wrote:If shit happends, and people panic with using LoH, multiple LoH will be able to go down at once, the slow paladins beeing a sec or 2 slower than the others will however not waste his LoH.


Well, maybe. Personally half the time I try to BoP someone who already has Forbearance, I manage to BoP someone else or myself instead. There's a reason my HotR macro /cancelauras every conceivable pacify buff :)
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Re: LoH off the GCD ... !!

Postby Dantriges » Wed Feb 09, 2011 2:43 am

Yeah I remember these times, when ShoR keeps missing. So annoying in fact, that I already stopped reforging expertise. As my guild is full of people who seems to consider using threatdumps as dps loss, or at least wait till the last second, I wonder if I should just reforge or go through the hassle. Considering that some of our DPS can´t dump and they are putting out good dps, well.
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Re: LoH off the GCD ... !!

Postby Sabindeus » Wed Feb 09, 2011 10:14 am

Beefchief wrote:This is a significant nerf. My expertise and hit are all reforged away into CTC, and now it takes a lot longer to build up holy power. Ugh.


CTC?
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Re: LoH off the GCD ... !!

Postby Shathus » Wed Feb 09, 2011 10:22 am

Sabindeus wrote:
Beefchief wrote:This is a significant nerf. My expertise and hit are all reforged away into CTC, and now it takes a lot longer to build up holy power. Ugh.


CTC?


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Re: LoH off the GCD ... !!

Postby Chunes » Wed Feb 09, 2011 11:11 am

Full CTC vs soft capping exp and capping hit is really a quality of life question more than anything. Sure, it's annoying to miss ShoR 5 times in a row, but since threat really doesn't matter much after the first 20 seconds it's really more about your DPS knowing they need to let you get settled before they start going balls out.

Being "threatcapped" (read hitcapped and exp softcapped) makes for a much smoother rotation for sure, but if you're looking to survive then your threat will suffer more now after the patch than it did before.

Nevertheless, once you land a few attacks at 85%+ vengeance then threat really is a non-issue. I'm fully threatcapped from reforging right now because on farm nights, we spend about an equal amount of time on bosses as we do trash. That translates into a LOT of time spent in the "first 20 seconds" of combat with various mobs, so for me, my ability to output constant, high threat is a boon to the raid because it means we can move faster. I'll be fully reforging to CTC tomorrow though for HM's.
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Re: LoH off the GCD ... !!

Postby Sabindeus » Wed Feb 09, 2011 12:40 pm

Shathus wrote:
Sabindeus wrote:
Beefchief wrote:This is a significant nerf. My expertise and hit are all reforged away into CTC, and now it takes a lot longer to build up holy power. Ugh.


CTC?


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wtf, who came up with this acronym?
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Re: LoH off the GCD ... !!

Postby fuzzygeek » Wed Feb 09, 2011 12:53 pm

Sabindeus wrote:wtf, who came up with this acronym?


We've been using it for a few months now. The search function finds Yappo's post in his 12/13/10 Failsafe Gearing Guid as the earliest occurance; Theck uses it on 1/6/11 in the Quantifying Gear Stats thread.

Amusingly enough, CTC as "Corpse Tongue Coin" didn't overlap at all.

I'd tried using DPBM for Dodge-Parry-Block-Miss for a while in 08 and 09 but it was too unwieldy to catch on; CTC is certainly easier.
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Re: LoH off the GCD ... !!

Postby theckhd » Wed Feb 09, 2011 12:55 pm

Sabindeus wrote:
Shathus wrote:
Sabindeus wrote:CTC?


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wtf, who came up with this acronym?

I did, because people kept incorrectly referring to the 102.4% "avoidance" cap.
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