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Selfheals...

Postby Arjuna » Mon Jan 17, 2011 11:29 am

So I tanked my first cata raid the other day...

...and if I read this correctly, I did 40% of my own healing...
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/e5cdufbyurvrhr5m/details/0/?s=1618&e=1951

That, can't be right, can it?
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Re: Selfheals...

Postby Aubade » Mon Jan 17, 2011 12:24 pm

Arjuna wrote:So I tanked my first cata raid the other day...

...and if I read this correctly, I did 40% of my own healing...
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/e5cdufbyurvrhr5m/details/0/?s=1618&e=1951

That, can't be right, can it?


It sure can.

I actually show you at 43.44% if my math is correct.
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Re: Selfheals...

Postby Worldie » Mon Jan 17, 2011 12:48 pm

SoI is quite impressive healing wise, only problem is that most of it is overhealing.
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Re: Selfheals...

Postby Sabindeus » Mon Jan 17, 2011 12:52 pm

The impressive part is the average 27k hit for Word of Glory. No way that could be intended.
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Re: Selfheals...

Postby Worldie » Tue Jan 18, 2011 3:19 am

Sabindeus wrote:The impressive part is the average 27k hit for Word of Glory. No way that could be intended.

I'm getting over 30k *hits* with WoG and up to 50-60k crits, fun times. No idea if that's what they intend us to do or not.
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Re: Selfheals...

Postby econ21 » Tue Jan 18, 2011 6:55 am

My impression is that my WoG hits tend to be around 15k in 5-mans. How can they reach 30k? Do they scale with vengeance or something?
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Re: Selfheals...

Postby Rothifer » Tue Jan 18, 2011 7:19 am

It sure can.

I actually show you at 43.44% if my math is correct.


<.< >.> repeating of course

They made me do it.

I haven't really played my paladin recently so this self heal WoG stuff has me laughing. The greatest part is that it will get a minor buff next patch. Upset MY swing timer will you! /shakes fist
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Re: Selfheals...

Postby Sabindeus » Tue Jan 18, 2011 11:12 am

econ21 wrote:My impression is that my WoG hits tend to be around 15k in 5-mans. How can they reach 30k? Do they scale with vengeance or something?


Right. We know it's not intended to scale with Vengeance, but clearly does.
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Re: Selfheals...

Postby PsiVen » Tue Jan 18, 2011 2:56 pm

I got the feeling they just changed their mind about that, since WoG was nerfed slightly just after they said it was to receive a scaling nerf. In practice, WoG is a considerable DPS commitment and needs to scale with Vengeance or it's quite weak.

The real issue with overall self-healing is that Blizzard didn't expect people to be using Seal of Insight, despite stating "Gosh, we're surprised people are using this" in beta and changing nothing about it whatsoever. I think it's also masking some annoying quality-of-life issues with mana costs.
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Re: Selfheals...

Postby Sabindeus » Tue Jan 18, 2011 5:12 pm

PsiVen wrote: I think it's also masking some annoying quality-of-life issues with mana costs.

Yeah I think that is quite possible
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Re: Selfheals...

Postby majiben » Tue Jan 18, 2011 10:12 pm

Sabindeus wrote:
PsiVen wrote: I think it's also masking some annoying quality-of-life issues with mana costs.
Yeah I think that is quite possible
I too think this is the case, I worry that when the inevitable SoL change comes that we will a bad place mana wise for quite some time.
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Re: Selfheals...

Postby Worldie » Wed Jan 19, 2011 5:56 am

Well using SoI means you got unlimited mana as prot, and allows you to spam support abilities (i'm looking at you Holy Radiance) much more often.

Nowadays i use SoT most of the times since tank healing isnt really a problem, but too often i find myself oom cause i spammed support abilities / avenger shield with GC procs and forget to judge :lol:
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Re: Selfheals...

Postby Fetzie » Wed Jan 19, 2011 6:35 am

All to often I find myself running close to dry on chimaeron due to using holy radiance on each feud etc, the boss simply isn't hitting me as the offtank enough (wasn't much better the other way round either) for sanctuary to regen mana. Feels like vezax hardmode all over again at that boss, except that then it was the basic rotation abilities that drained you out.
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Re: Selfheals...

Postby Kelaan » Wed Jan 19, 2011 2:28 pm

Sabindeus wrote:
PsiVen wrote: I think it's also masking some annoying quality-of-life issues with mana costs.

Yeah I think that is quite possible

As in, "I go dry if I don't have SoI on", and can't do all the useful stuff like holy radiance at opportune times. :)

I do about 30+% of my healing in most raids; I see it as helping the healers heal other people, and helping to address burst damage.
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Re: Selfheals...

Postby Shathus » Wed Jan 19, 2011 3:22 pm

lol, just looked at the logs from our Conclave kill last night. I was on the North platform, ended up glyphing both WoG and SoI. Used Truth at the start of the fight, then once our dps changed platforms switched to Insight. I did 50% of the healing on myself. If it wasn't for the damn debuff stacks, wonder if I could solo that platform heh.

Unrelated, a pally tank and healer is OP for that fight on the North. Never had to do a swap to clear stacks.
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