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Tank Stats -What am I aiming for?

Postby Carbonite » Mon Jan 10, 2011 6:09 am

Ive did alot of looking around and have talked to alot of people in game about what exactly are my goals as far as individual stats?

I was wondering if anyone can give me a complete list of numbers I would be aiming for to be considered a RAIDING tank.

Here is the list of Stats that I wish to know the Min Value and the Perferred Value for.

-What should be my Armor Total? Min/Perferred
-What should be my Dodge Percent? Min/Perferred
-What should be my Parry Percent? Min/Perferred
-What should be my Block Percent? Min/Perferred
-What should be my Stamina Number? Min/Perferred
-What should be my Mastery Number? Min/Perferred
-What should be my Expertise Number? Min/Perferred
-What should be my Hit Percent? Min/Perferred

Thank You All In Advance!
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Re: Tank Stats -What am I aiming for?

Postby Digren » Mon Jan 10, 2011 10:40 am

The most detailed model for this right now is Theck's pre-raid set. Refer to the second post of his thread here:
viewtopic.php?p=593306#p593306

His stage three/pre raid set is shown. Further down in the post, he lists the summary stats from that set. I've copied those settings below.
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player =

           str: 3795
           sta: 9465
           agi: 735
           int: 111
     armorystr: 2976
     hitpoints: 175543
         armor: 3.9556e+004
    resistance: 0
      resist_c: 400
          spdr: 0
         phhit: 2.7975
         sphit: 11.2798
           exp: 16.2637
       phhaste: 10.0000
       sphaste: 5.0000
         spgcd: 1.4286
        phcrit: 4.4713
        spcrit: 11.4066
        aacrit: 4.4713
        HWcrit: 41.4066
       HoWcrit: 34.4713
        CScrit: 19.4713
         Jcrit: 4.4713
       WoGcrit: 26.4066
    HotRphcrit: 19.4713
    HotRspcrit: 26.4066
            sp: 2615
           hsp: 2615
          mast: 19.6135
          miss: 4.4000
         dodge: 13.8016
         parry: 11.2114
         block: 48.5304
          size: [1x1 struct]
         avoid: 29.4130
      avoidpct: 0.2941
        acoeff: 3.2573e+004
          phdr: 0.5484
        VengAP: 1.7554e+004
            ap: 27917
       wdamage: 6.2491e+003
       ndamage: 5.8503e+003
         swing: 2.3636
          reck: 0.3224
        wswing: 1.7122
          wdps: 3.6498e+003


It's not necessarily that easy to read the values from that list, but that's more detail than you're likely to get from any other source right now.

Summarizing those stats in the order you requested:
Armor Total? Around 39-40k

-What should be my Dodge Percent?
-What should be my Parry Percent? Dodge plus parry around 25%

-What should be my Block Percent? Around 48-50%, giving a total avoidance+block around 78-80%

-What should be my Stamina Number? Around 9400, which will yield health around 170k

-What should be my Mastery Number? See block percent above
-What should be my Expertise Number? Min is fine. Nothing more should be required. Theck's set has 16.
-What should be my Hit Percent? Min is 0%. Nothing more should be required. Theck's set has 2.7%.
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Re: Tank Stats -What am I aiming for?

Postby Carbonite » Wed Jan 12, 2011 11:24 am

Digren,

This is exactly what im looking for! Thank You So Much!
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Re: Tank Stats -What am I aiming for?

Postby Imbabubble » Fri Jan 14, 2011 4:08 am

Would this be buffed or unbuffed? I am sorry if the information is obvious, but I have been unable to find it.
The reason I am asking is that I think I am in the ready-to-raid gear level (only got two ilvl 333 items left), but I am rather far from these numbers when looking at my character. With sta trinkets equipped I am missing ~7% avoidance, while I am missing about 20k hp with avoidance trinkets.

Armory: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/s ... e/advanced
(currently got two avoidance trinkets equipped, but I also have two sta trinkets that I can use)
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Re: Tank Stats -What am I aiming for?

Postby Xkonvikt » Fri Jan 14, 2011 8:52 am

Digren wrote:Summarizing those stats in the order you requested:
Armor Total? Around 39-40k

-What should be my Dodge Percent?
-What should be my Parry Percent? Dodge plus parry around 25%

-What should be my Block Percent? Around 48-50%, giving a total avoidance+block around 78-80%

-What should be my Stamina Number? Around 9400, which will yield health around 170k

-What should be my Mastery Number? See block percent above
-What should be my Expertise Number? Min is fine. Nothing more should be required. Theck's set has 16.
-What should be my Hit Percent? Min is 0%. Nothing more should be required. Theck's set has 2.7%.


How did he get 175K hp with all the avoidance mastery stats? I have literally reforged everything correctly to mastery and even micro reforged all excessive parry to dodge. Gemmed the recommended gems..(e.g. (blue slots, +60 stam), (yellow slots, +40 mastery), (red slots, parry/stam) All enchants are dodge, mastery, like I am supposed to. How the hell are you getting 175K HP? I even have the recommended Head chants minus the top tier shoulder chant, and I also have the 145 stam and 55 agi leg chants.
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Re: Tank Stats -What am I aiming for?

Postby theckhd » Fri Jan 14, 2011 11:07 am

Imbabubble wrote:Would this be buffed or unbuffed?

The numbers Digren gave were the fully raid-buffed values. The link he gave shows the exact items and enchantments involved. Note that none of the items were reforged either.

It's also worth noting that in that pre-raid set, there's only about 1500 dodge rating and 400 parry rating, but a whopping 2000 mastery rating.
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Re: Tank Stats -What am I aiming for?

Postby Carbonite » Fri Jan 14, 2011 11:48 am

Do you have the figures unbuffed?
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Re: Tank Stats -What am I aiming for?

Postby Digren » Fri Jan 14, 2011 11:56 am

170k might be overkill for "ready to raid" buffed health. The best information is first hand, and I'm personally not yet "ready to raid". That said, earlier predictions of 115k unbuffed for a new 85 and 130k unbuffed for "ready for heroics" have been pretty well spot on.

Buffs give maybe 10k health and around 3-4% avoidance (primarily from the Kings effect on agility and strength). So if you total health is 170k and avoidance+block is 78-80% buffed, you'd be looking for 160k health and 75-76% avoidance unbuffed.

Clearly those are simultaneously available because the set that Theck uses achieves that. Now, whether those two are necessary simultaneously is a different question. If you can trinket swap to get either/or then you may very well be fine to raid. We'll see.
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Re: Tank Stats -What am I aiming for?

Postby theckhd » Fri Jan 14, 2011 12:08 pm

Carbonite wrote:Do you have the figures unbuffed?

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gear =

          str: 2812
          sta: 6336
          agi: 55
          int: 0
          hit: 336
         crit: 0
          exp: 98
        haste: 0
         mast: 2.0821e+003
           ap: 0
           sp: 0
       health: 0
        dodge: 1725
        parry: 377
       barmor: 31400
       earmor: 250
       avgdmg: 1.0645e+003
        swing: 2.6000
        wtype: 'swo'
      tooldps: 409.4000
         meta: 1
      isplate: 1
       istier: [0 0 0]
    tierbonus: [2x3 double]

K>> player

player =

           str: 2976
           sta: 7838
           agi: 152
           int: 106
     armorystr: 2976
     hitpoints: 152765
         armor: 3.5481e+004
    resistance: 0
      resist_c: 400
          spdr: 0
         phhit: 2.7975
         sphit: 11.2798
           exp: 16.2637
       phhaste: 0
       sphaste: 0
         spgcd: 1.5000
        phcrit: 0
        spcrit: 1.3989
         hcrit: 3.4989
        aacrit: 0
        HWcrit: 31.3989
       HoWcrit: 26.6005
        CScrit: 11.6005
         Jcrit: 0
       WoGcrit: 18.4989
    HotRphcrit: 11.6005
    HotRspcrit: 16.3989
            sp: 1881
           hsp: 1881
          mast: 19.6135
          miss: 4.4000
         dodge: 12.3476
         parry: 10.2253
         block: 48.5304
          size: [1x1 struct]
         avoid: 26.9729
      avoidpct: 0.2697
        acoeff: 3.2573e+004
          phdr: 0.5214
        VengAP: 1.5277e+004
            ap: 21463
       wdamage: 5.0505e+003
       ndamage: 4.7439e+003
         swing: 2.6000
          reck: 0.3353
        wswing: 1.8580
          wdps: 2.7182e+003
          hopo: 3


"gear" is the contribution from gear, "player" should be the net player stats in the absence of all raid buffs. These are for the pre-raid set (i.e. the one with mostly 346 gear).
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Re: Tank Stats -What am I aiming for?

Postby sculder » Fri Jan 14, 2011 12:10 pm

i think 10k is a little low for a hitponts estimate. I see around a 20-25k increase in raid - unbuffed ~165k, raid buffed ~190k
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Re: Tank Stats -What am I aiming for?

Postby theckhd » Fri Jan 14, 2011 12:25 pm

That sounds about right. In the set above, raid buffs bump you up from 152k to 175k.

Unbuffed: 152,765 HP, 12.3% dodge, 10.2% parry, 48.5% block
+Kings, Food, Flask: 165,169 HP, 12.4% dodge, 10.5% parry, 48.5% block
+Fort: 175,543 HP, 12.4% dodge, 10.5% parry, 48.5% block
+SoE: 175,543 HP, 13.8% dodge, 11.2% parry, 48.5% block
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Re: Tank Stats -What am I aiming for?

Postby Xkonvikt » Fri Jan 14, 2011 12:29 pm

theckhd wrote:
Imbabubble wrote:Would this be buffed or unbuffed?

The numbers Digren gave were the fully raid-buffed values. The link he gave shows the exact items and enchantments involved. Note that none of the items were reforged either.

It's also worth noting that in that pre-raid set, there's only about 1500 dodge rating and 400 parry rating, but a whopping 2000 mastery rating.


Ok, that is a little better fully raid buffed I am at 167K - 169K Hp with an overall something around 83%+ total of the hit table cap of 104.2%.

Edit: note this is without a flask.
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Re: Tank Stats -What am I aiming for?

Postby Imbabubble » Fri Jan 14, 2011 2:35 pm

Peeew, I was working up a sweat there. Being buffed numbers is much closer to what I am seeing...I will now happily escort my guild to Blacwing descent :)
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Re: Tank Stats -What am I aiming for?

Postby ceric » Mon Jan 17, 2011 8:55 am

I know I'm not in uber gear but I'm at 136k totally unbuffed but, totally buffed I don't remember getting to close to 160k. I know my gemming isn't super optimal because I was having threat problems so I gem for a little of that. I'll be switching that soon and the belt buckle is in the mail.

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/a ... c/advanced

Also had to take a detour into make a raid ready Healing set. Looking at it all though thats a 16k difference and I didn't think I was that far off to raiding requirements.
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Re: Tank Stats -What am I aiming for?

Postby Digren » Mon Jan 17, 2011 11:12 am

sculder wrote:i think 10k is a little low for a hitponts estimate. I see around a 20-25k increase in raid - unbuffed ~165k, raid buffed ~190k

Yeah, I underestimated the raid bonuses as I don't have that varied of a mix of classes I group with.
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