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vash 359 ring

Postby anthell » Tue Jan 11, 2011 9:30 am

from what i tested with my paladin, the ring from vash with haste reforged to either dodge/parry seems to be a very strong tanking ring preraid (my rings just wont drop ftw) since the agility + dodge/parry form the 359 generates more avoidance compared to any 346 rings.

it has bigger mastery pool being 359 item and more stamina too

the only drawback is the lack of str for aggro, but the extra haste do generate additional threat and overall, there seem to be little to no aggro issue with aggro in raids atm

any comments?
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Re: vash 359 ring

Postby fuzzygeek » Tue Jan 11, 2011 9:38 am

It is an excellent ring, easily one of the best available pre-raid.
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Re: vash 359 ring

Postby baphomet58 » Tue Jan 11, 2011 10:06 pm

it is good, but not better than the red rock band or the umbris band.
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Re: vash 359 ring

Postby lythac » Wed Jan 12, 2011 6:57 am

It is definitely better than the red rock band, will have to look at the other to check that out.

Why do you prefer the threat rings?
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Re: vash 359 ring

Postby baphomet58 » Wed Jan 12, 2011 7:37 am

It definitely isn't. I already tested it. It gives more avoidance and threat. In fact it's also better than the Umbris ring.
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Re: vash 359 ring

Postby lythac » Wed Jan 12, 2011 7:47 am

So you are saying it gives more avoidance and threat (and obviously sta) but saying it isn't better?
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Re: vash 359 ring

Postby baphomet58 » Wed Jan 12, 2011 8:34 am

lythac wrote:So you are saying it gives more avoidance and threat (and obviously sta) but saying it isn't better?

The red rock band gives better avoidance (because of the mastery) and better threat (because of the str). Simple as that. The expertise on my rrb is reforged into dodge and when I exchange the epic ring with both the umbris and rrb, it always turns up with less, although slightly, avoidance. That being said it's a good ring until you get umbris.
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Re: vash 359 ring

Postby yappo » Wed Jan 12, 2011 9:48 am

baphomet58 wrote:
lythac wrote:So you are saying it gives more avoidance and threat (and obviously sta) but saying it isn't better?

The red rock band gives better avoidance (because of the mastery) and better threat (because of the str). Simple as that. The expertise on my rrb is reforged into dodge and when I exchange the epic ring with both the umbris and rrb, it always turns up with less, although slightly, avoidance. That being said it's a good ring until you get umbris.


Red Rock Band gives better CTC. The agility ring, however, gives better avoidance together with a higher stamina. I prefer Red Rock Band for running heroics. It's possible that the higher stamina makes the agility ring a better raiding option.
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Re: vash 359 ring

Postby lythac » Wed Jan 12, 2011 9:52 am

baphomet58 wrote:
lythac wrote:So you are saying it gives more avoidance and threat (and obviously sta) but saying it isn't better?

The red rock band gives better avoidance (because of the mastery) and better threat (because of the str). Simple as that. The expertise on my rrb is reforged into dodge and when I exchange the epic ring with both the umbris and rrb, it always turns up with less, although slightly, avoidance. That being said it's a good ring until you get umbris.


The Red Rock band does not provide more avoidance. Mastery converts to % block at a higher rate than the avoidance stats do as it is only a 40% damage reduction rather than 100%. What you are seeing is a higher block+avoidance.

All with kings -

Code: Select all
                     Red   Umbriss   Signet
Dodge from Agility    0.0      0.0    115.8
Parry from Strength   31.5    33.6      0.0
Dodge from reforge    39.2    34.0     50.8



Code: Select all
                Red   Umbriss   Signet
Stamina         265       265      300
Dodge+Parry      71        67      167
Mastery rating  168       168      127


Signet compared to Red rock
+35 sta
+97 dodge+Parry
-41 Mastery
- Threat

97 Dodge+Parry offers way more damage reduction than 41 Mastery. The Signet also has more sta. This is what makes it one of the best pre-raid rings.

Edit- hum, I must have fudged my numbers somewhere, see Thecks.
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Re: vash 359 ring

Postby theckhd » Wed Jan 12, 2011 9:53 am

baphomet58 wrote:The red rock band gives better avoidance (because of the mastery) and better threat (because of the str).


1) Mastery does not give you avoidance. It gives you block, and combat table coverage (CTC), but it does not give you avoidance.
2) Your numbers seem unreliable:

RRB:
+120 Strength -> 126 STR after Kings -> 31 Parry Rating
+252 Stamina
+98 Expertise -> +59 Expertise, +39 Parry
+168 Mastery

Net ratings of interest:
70 Parry
168 Mastery

Signet of the Elder Council
+190 Agility -> 199 Agi after Kings -> 0.6535% dodge pre-DR (115.4 Dodge Rating)
+286 Stamina
+127 Haste -> +77 Haste, +50 Parry
+127 Mastery

Net ratings of interest
165.4 Dodge + Parry
127 Mastery

Diff:
+95.4 Dodge+Parry -> 0.5398% Avoidance pre-DR, 0.3789% Avoidance at reasonable levels of avoidance (12% dodge, 10% parry, post-DR)
-41 Mastery -> -0.514% Block

The agility ring gives you a considerable amount of avoidance in exchange for some block. It comes out fairly close on CTC, but gives you slightly superior overall damage reduction.
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Re: vash 359 ring

Postby baphomet58 » Wed Jan 12, 2011 10:18 am

Oh, sorry for the misinformation.
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Re: vash 359 ring

Postby theckhd » Wed Jan 12, 2011 11:54 am

lythac wrote:Edit- hum, I must have fudged my numbers somewhere, see Thecks.


Actually, it looks like I made the error (115+50=205 ??)

I'll go back and fix it. Regardless, the two will come out fairly close in CTC, and the agility ring will be stronger for damage reduction.
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Re: vash 359 ring

Postby Fiaraa » Sat Jan 15, 2011 1:24 am

How does it compare with [Felsen's Ring of Resolve]?
I'm currently running Felsen's/RRB and haven't bothered doing the extra dungeons to get my EG rep up.
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Re: vash 359 ring

Postby Rinion » Sat Jan 15, 2011 6:14 am

using a CTC macro and comparing the Signet with the two tank rings i have, Signet gives more coverage than Felsen's Ring of Resolve, and Red Rock Band gives more coverage then Felsen's also.

For me with no buffs currently.

Felsen's and Red Rock = 77.41
Felsen's and Signet = 77.49
Red Rock and Signet = 77.62

(I reforged Red Rock into Hit rather than Parry, otherwise it would actually come out even further ahead in fact)
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Re: vash 359 ring

Postby NYRIN1 » Fri Jan 28, 2011 9:45 am

I just want to be sure, they removed the dodge and armor bonus from AGI right? Its just crit % now I believe.
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