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Re: $10,000+ fine for deciding not to fly after all?

Postby Kelaan » Wed Nov 24, 2010 10:50 am

Fridmarr wrote:9/11 is in our psyche, but there have been several foiled attempts since then, and one before. So, extra security is not without justification

Every single foiled attempt (that we've heard about) has been foiled by other passengers, not by TSA.
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Re: $10,000+ fine for deciding not to fly after all?

Postby Fridmarr » Wed Nov 24, 2010 10:54 am

Kelaan wrote:
Fridmarr wrote:9/11 is in our psyche, but there have been several foiled attempts since then, and one before. So, extra security is not without justification

Every single foiled attempt (that we've heard about) has been foiled by other passengers, not by TSA.

I knew I should have just mentioned that, but it's just not really relevant. TSA exists and takes these measures because of the risk of such attempts. That they occurred, regardless of how they were foiled, justifies some level of security.
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Re: $10,000+ fine for deciding not to fly after all?

Postby Fivelives » Wed Nov 24, 2010 10:55 am

The actual security is being provided by intelligence agencies in cooperation with local law enforcement. The show of security is being provided by the TSA. The problem, like I've said many times in this thread, is that the TSA has forgotten that their sole purpose is pretty much to just provide an "oh hey, the government is doing something" show to the public and has gone WAY off script because of their inflated sense of importance, thanks to the government officials falling for their own scare tactics.

If the TSA were providing an actual service, they would be present at train stations and bus stations.
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Re: $10,000+ fine for deciding not to fly after all?

Postby Jabari » Wed Nov 24, 2010 11:36 am

Fivelives wrote:If the TSA were providing an actual service, they would be present at train stations and bus stations.

They ARE providing an actual service - let sex-crazed guys grab attractive women's breasts: http://www.clickorlando.com/news/25902334/detail.html

Edit: Ok, that may not have been the best wording - I apologize. The article isn't totally clear, but I imagine what happened is that she was selected to go through the scanner (not everybody does I don't think, unless the metal-detector goes off or you're "selected"). And I don't think they change scanner operators based on the gender of the subject. And they've been dubbed "porno-scanners" for a reason - just change "grab" to "gape at" in my original text above...

This bit from the article is rather disturbing as well: "Colleen Moskaly went through a full body scan recently while her security agents performed a pat-down on her infant son."

Infant children REALLY need to be patted down? Really? *puke*

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The train/bus/subway stations are next: http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/130549-next-step-for-body-scanners-could-be-trains-boats-and-the-metro?sms_ss=facebook&at_xt=4cec61d7a8e37b27%2C0
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Re: $10,000+ fine for deciding not to fly after all?

Postby Fridmarr » Wed Nov 24, 2010 11:39 am

Jabari wrote:
Fivelives wrote:If the TSA were providing an actual service, they would be present at train stations and bus stations.

They ARE providing an actual service - let sex-crazed guys grab attractive women's breasts: http://www.clickorlando.com/news/25902334/detail.html

The train/bus/subway stations are next: http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/130549-next-step-for-body-scanners-could-be-trains-boats-and-the-metro?sms_ss=facebook&at_xt=4cec61d7a8e37b27%2C0

Aren't the pat downs done by a person of the same gender?
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Re: $10,000+ fine for deciding not to fly after all?

Postby Sabindeus » Wed Nov 24, 2010 11:40 am

Jabari wrote:
Fivelives wrote:If the TSA were providing an actual service, they would be present at train stations and bus stations.

They ARE providing an actual service - let sex-crazed guys grab attractive women's breasts: http://www.clickorlando.com/news/25902334/detail.html

what? did you even read the thing you linked?
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Re: $10,000+ fine for deciding not to fly after all?

Postby Lightbeard » Wed Nov 24, 2010 12:21 pm

Jabari wrote:
Fivelives wrote:If the TSA were providing an actual service, they would be present at train stations and bus stations.

They ARE providing an actual service - let sex-crazed guys grab attractive women's breasts: http://www.clickorlando.com/news/25902334/detail.html

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Honestly that lady seems to suffer from an extreme case of "unwarranted self-importance"
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Re: $10,000+ fine for deciding not to fly after all?

Postby Korola » Wed Nov 24, 2010 12:24 pm

Lightbeard wrote:
Jabari wrote:
Fivelives wrote:If the TSA were providing an actual service, they would be present at train stations and bus stations.

They ARE providing an actual service - let sex-crazed guys grab attractive women's breasts: http://www.clickorlando.com/news/25902334/detail.html

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Honestly that lady seems to suffer from an extreme case of "unwarranted self-importance"


You just say that because you're jealous of her sexy body.
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Re: $10,000+ fine for deciding not to fly after all?

Postby Lightbeard » Wed Nov 24, 2010 12:40 pm

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Re: $10,000+ fine for deciding not to fly after all?

Postby Fivelives » Wed Nov 24, 2010 12:40 pm

I'm ashamed to admit that I actually liked Napolitano when she was governor of Arizona. As head of DHS, she's a total tool.
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Re: $10,000+ fine for deciding not to fly after all?

Postby Korola » Wed Nov 24, 2010 1:41 pm

Lightbeard wrote:She knows I'm staring at her tits from my computer. Image
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Re: $10,000+ fine for deciding not to fly after all?

Postby djlar » Wed Nov 24, 2010 3:00 pm

Well it's common sense that a female will be screened by a female only, I think she's lying..

I never seen anyone being patted down by an opossite sex TSA employee..
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Re: $10,000+ fine for deciding not to fly after all?

Postby Jabari » Wed Nov 24, 2010 5:56 pm

djlar wrote:Well it's common sense that a female will be screened by a female only, I think she's lying..

I never seen anyone being patted down by an opossite sex TSA employee..

And the people controlling the scanners? (Honest question, I don't know, but I haven't heard that they switch out for those...)
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Re: $10,000+ fine for deciding not to fly after all?

Postby Fivelives » Wed Nov 24, 2010 8:30 pm

There have been reports of opposite-gender patdowns before, and I'm pretty sure it happens more than it gets reported.

As to the infants getting the grope, THEY MIGHT BE BOMBS, YO!@1
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Re: $10,000+ fine for deciding not to fly after all?

Postby Fridmarr » Wed Nov 24, 2010 9:50 pm

Fivelives wrote:There have been reports of opposite-gender patdowns before, and I'm pretty sure it happens more than it gets reported.

As to the infants getting the grope, THEY MIGHT BE BOMBS, YO!@1

They used to allow them, but I don't believe they do with the new procedures.
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