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Re: $10,000+ fine for deciding not to fly after all?

Postby Lightbeard » Wed Nov 17, 2010 2:22 pm

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Re: $10,000+ fine for deciding not to fly after all?

Postby Shoju » Wed Nov 17, 2010 2:27 pm

Lightbeard wrote:I guess you can argue that a doctor wouldn't be a stranger.


Umm.... Why in the hell would your doctor be a stranger?

Straight from the dictionary:

stran·ger   
[streyn-jer] Show IPA
–noun
1. a person with whom one has had no personal acquaintance: He is a perfect stranger to me.
2. a newcomer in a place or locality: a stranger in town.
3. an outsider: They want no strangers in on the club meetings.
4. a person who is unacquainted with or unaccustomed to something (usually fol. by to ): He is no stranger to poverty.
5. a person who is not a member of the family, group, community, or the like, as a visitor or guest: Our town shows hospitality to strangers.
6. Law . one not privy or party to an act, proceeding, etc.

I took the liberty to bold and italicize the important parts.

Unless you are just switching to a new doctor, or you don't ever go to a doctor, it is pretty hard to call your a stranger.
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Re: $10,000+ fine for deciding not to fly after all?

Postby Passionario » Wed Nov 17, 2010 2:28 pm

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Re: $10,000+ fine for deciding not to fly after all?

Postby Lightbeard » Wed Nov 17, 2010 2:40 pm

Shoju wrote:
Lightbeard wrote:I guess you can argue that a doctor wouldn't be a stranger.


Umm.... Why in the hell would your doctor be a stranger?

Straight from the dictionary:

stran·ger   
[streyn-jer] Show IPA
–noun
1. a person with whom one has had no personal acquaintance: He is a perfect stranger to me.
2. a newcomer in a place or locality: a stranger in town.
3. an outsider: They want no strangers in on the club meetings.
4. a person who is unacquainted with or unaccustomed to something (usually fol. by to ): He is no stranger to poverty.
5. a person who is not a member of the family, group, community, or the like, as a visitor or guest: Our town shows hospitality to strangers.
6. Law . one not privy or party to an act, proceeding, etc.

I took the liberty to bold and italicize the important parts.

Unless you are just switching to a new doctor, or you don't ever go to a doctor, it is pretty hard to call your a stranger.


What about the rest of my post?
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Re: $10,000+ fine for deciding not to fly after all?

Postby Amirya » Wed Nov 17, 2010 3:08 pm

If my doctor wanted to do a gynecological exam because I went to see them for, say, migraines...I'd find a new doctor.

Let me put it this way:

There are only 3 people who are allowed to put their hands between my legs - myself, my boyfriend or any other lover I might have, and my doctor doing a gynecological exam.

Anyone else will find that shoving their hands between my thighs will result in a violent confrontation.
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Re: $10,000+ fine for deciding not to fly after all?

Postby Sabindeus » Wed Nov 17, 2010 3:51 pm

Guess girls don't have to go through the "turn your head and cough" thing...
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Re: $10,000+ fine for deciding not to fly after all?

Postby Deliriously » Wed Nov 17, 2010 4:36 pm

The necessary and proper clause in the constitution would like to say, "sup?"

Have any of you guys been patted down before? It really isn't bad at all. I've been patted down multiple times. The people doing it aren't looking to get a hard-on from patting you down. They're doing their job to keep our country safe. I personally have no problems with increased security. It honestly makes me feel safer about getting on a plane knowing that they have all these precautions in place.
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Re: $10,000+ fine for deciding not to fly after all?

Postby Dorvan » Wed Nov 17, 2010 4:51 pm

Deliriously wrote:The necessary and proper clause in the constitution would like to say, "sup?"

Have any of you guys been patted down before? It really isn't bad at all. I've been patted down multiple times. The people doing it aren't looking to get a hard-on from patting you down. They're doing their job to keep our country safe. I personally have no problems with increased security. It honestly makes me feel safer about getting on a plane knowing that they have all these precautions in place.


I've gotten a traditional pat down before. That's not what's been discussed here. These "enhanced pat downs" involve the inspector running their hands palm down over a person's entire body, under clothing.

You did hit on an important point, though. This is really about security theater, making people feel safer...not to be confused with actually reducing the chance of a terrorist hijacking.
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Re: $10,000+ fine for deciding not to fly after all?

Postby Deliriously » Wed Nov 17, 2010 5:01 pm

Ahh my bad, I didn't know they changed pat down techniques. =/

The old one in my opinion was thorough enough.
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Re: $10,000+ fine for deciding not to fly after all?

Postby Amirya » Wed Nov 17, 2010 5:04 pm

From my understanding (and on this, I could be wrong), enhanced pat down = hands maintain constant contact that involves more skimming/rubbing type motion, as opposed to patting.
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Re: $10,000+ fine for deciding not to fly after all?

Postby DC1033 » Wed Nov 17, 2010 5:35 pm

Amirya wrote:If my doctor wanted to do a gynecological exam because I went to see them for, say, migraines...I'd find a new doctor.

Let me put it this way:

There are only 3 people who are allowed to put their hands between my legs - myself, my boyfriend or any other lover I might have, and my doctor doing a gynecological exam.

Anyone else will find that shoving their hands between my thighs will result in a violent confrontation.



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Re: $10,000+ fine for deciding not to fly after all?

Postby Shathus » Wed Nov 17, 2010 5:37 pm

The other thing I'd add to the doctor vs TSA argument, if you for whatever reason become uncomfortable with your doctor (someone you chose to begin with) performing said touching, you are allowed to stop the exam, and go find a new doctor as opposed to being told "too bad" and/or get fined $11k.
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Re: $10,000+ fine for deciding not to fly after all?

Postby Amirya » Wed Nov 17, 2010 5:38 pm

DC1033 wrote:
Amirya wrote:If my doctor wanted to do a gynecological exam because I went to see them for, say, migraines...I'd find a new doctor.

Let me put it this way:

There are only 3 people who are allowed to put their hands between my legs - myself, my boyfriend or any other lover I might have, and my doctor doing a gynecological exam.

Anyone else will find that shoving their hands between my thighs will result in a violent confrontation.



So ya know a "violent confrontation" with Amirya in the real world hurts. Trust me I have the scars, she calls them love bites

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Re: $10,000+ fine for deciding not to fly after all?

Postby Fivelives » Wed Nov 17, 2010 5:41 pm

You'd be surprised. There are some correlations between uterine cancer and severe headaches. It has to do with the screwballing of certain hormone production.

And yeah, women go through the "turn your head and cough" bit. It's rare (that a doc will check it without a specific reason), but women can get hernias just the same as men can - that's what the whole test is for.
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Re: $10,000+ fine for deciding not to fly after all?

Postby Amirya » Wed Nov 17, 2010 5:43 pm

Fivelives wrote:You'd be surprised. There are some correlations between uterine cancer and severe headaches. It has to do with the screwballing of certain hormone production.

I won't dispute that.

But generally, that'd be more last resort than starting with any symptomatic trends, checking eyes, neck, etc.
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