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Cataclysm Beta - Build 13221

Postby Arincia » Wed Oct 27, 2010 9:39 am

Holy

* Holy Radiance's effectiveness now diminish on targets farther than x yards away.
* Divine Light base healing has been increased by 30%. From 8538-9512 to 11100-12366
* Holy Wrath now scales from 61% of SpellPower, up from 30%. Base damage reduced by 22%, from 3122 to 2435.
* Exorcism now scales from 34.4% of SpellPower or AP, up from 15%. Base damage increased by 15% from 2343 to 2741.
* Flash of Light base healing has been increased by 30%. From 5313-5961 to 6907-7750.
* Lay on Hands no longer restores mana.
* Holy Light base healing has been increased by 30%. From 3202-3567 to 4162-4637.
* Beacon of Light now lasts 5 min, up from 1 min.
* Mastery: Illuminated Healing now absorbs 10% of the amount healed, up from 8%. Now lasts 8 sec, up from 6 sec. Each point of mastery increases the absorb amount by an additional 1.25%, up from 1%.
* Holy Shock base healing has been increased by 30%. From 3033-3285 to 3943-4271.


Retribution

* Templar's Verdict now deals 235% weapon damage with 3 Holy Power, up from 225%.
* Hammer of Wrath base damage has been reduced by 22%. From 4890-5404 to 3814-4215.
* Seal of Truth now scales from 12.85% of Attack Power and Spell Power (up from 12.5%) but now deals 15% weapon damage when stacked 5 times. Down from 16%.
* Crusader Strike now deals 115% weapon damage, down from 150%.


Protection

* Avenger's Shield now has a 15 sec cooldown, down from 24 sec.
* Shield of the Templar no longer reduces the cooldown of Avenger's Shield. Now allows your Divine Plea to generate 1/2/3 Holy Power.
* Guarded by the Light now increases Word of Glory by 15/30%, down from 30/60%.
* Wrath of the Lightbringer now increases the damage of Crusader Strike by 50% at Rank 1, up from 30%. (Not sure if the plan is to make it a single rank, or a 2 Ranks 50/100%, seems bugged)
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Re: Cataclysm Beta - Build 13221

Postby steadypal » Wed Oct 27, 2010 10:18 am

hrm, they nerfed CS, but maybe the prot talent makes it do 100% more dmg, but mmo is saying it might be a bug, and just do 50% more and 1 rank? hrm...

guarded by the light, i thought they were going to make vengeance not scale WOG? why would they nerf it by 30% so quickly?
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Re: Cataclysm Beta - Build 13221

Postby Belloc » Wed Oct 27, 2010 10:23 am

steadypal wrote:hrm, they nerfed CS, but maybe the prot talent makes it do 100% more dmg, but mmo is saying it might be a bug, and just do 50% more and 1 rank? hrm...

guarded by the light, i thought they were going to make vengeance not scale WOG? why would they nerf it by 30% so quickly?

Apparently it was vastly reducing the tank healing difficulty on Cho'gall. That might not be the reason, but I suspect that they feel it was OP.
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Re: Cataclysm Beta - Build 13221

Postby KysenMurrin » Wed Oct 27, 2010 10:24 am

Thwese are inter-spec balance changes. Crusader Strike is nerfed baseline and buffed for Prot, coming out not too different (either a little higher or a little lower depending on if Crusade and WotL are additive or multiplicative). Word of Glory was recently given a buff baseline to improve Holy's healing, and the Guarded by the Light nerf is to counter-balance it (they told us this was coming).
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Re: Cataclysm Beta - Build 13221

Postby steadypal » Wed Oct 27, 2010 10:36 am

Belloc wrote:
steadypal wrote:hrm, they nerfed CS, but maybe the prot talent makes it do 100% more dmg, but mmo is saying it might be a bug, and just do 50% more and 1 rank? hrm...

guarded by the light, i thought they were going to make vengeance not scale WOG? why would they nerf it by 30% so quickly?

Apparently it was vastly reducing the tank healing difficulty on Cho'gall. That might not be the reason, but I suspect that they feel it was OP.



but wasnt WOG scaling with vengeance for towel and some of the others?,


and ya, if its additive, CS loses alot base, and prot "IF" it is 100% dmg for CS, we gain a small 5% buff to its dmg? correct?
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Re: Cataclysm Beta - Build 13221

Postby Falkman » Wed Oct 27, 2010 11:14 am

I assume that the healing changes are the ones that was already hotfixed into Live?
Didn't Beta get them back then or is this just a tooltip update?
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Re: Cataclysm Beta - Build 13221

Postby kaanman36 » Wed Oct 27, 2010 11:24 am

I'm more disturbed by this:

MMOChampion wrote:Shield of the Righteous now deals 609/1828/3656 damage depending on Holy Power. (Old - Deals 20%/60%/120% of Attack Power as damage)


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Re: Cataclysm Beta - Build 13221

Postby Olen » Wed Oct 27, 2010 11:26 am

MMO-champ has the following Prot change listed as well:
Shield of the Righteous now deals 609/1828/3656 damage depending on Holy Power. (Old - Deals 20%/60%/120% of Attack Power as damage)

can someone on beta confirm or deny this crippling nerf?

thx [Edit: kaan beat me to it]
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Re: Cataclysm Beta - Build 13221

Postby Sabindeus » Wed Oct 27, 2010 11:30 am

ok boys and girls, say it with me

MMO-Champion datamines the tooltip string data, and thus usually gets things wrong or back-asswards


I would bet money they changed the way the tooltip is displayed, so perhaps instead of saying % AP in the tooltip, it actually does the calculation and puts in the damage like WoW does for every other spell.

Also this build is not on beta servers yet so hold your horses.
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Re: Cataclysm Beta - Build 13221

Postby earanduin » Wed Oct 27, 2010 11:33 am

kaanman36 wrote:I'm more disturbed by this:

MMOChampion wrote:Shield of the Righteous now deals 609/1828/3656 damage depending on Holy Power. (Old - Deals 20%/60%/120% of Attack Power as damage)


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Not only is it a nerf, but now also loses scaling as you gear ....
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Re: Cataclysm Beta - Build 13221

Postby steadypal » Wed Oct 27, 2010 11:37 am

toooooooooooooooo the ground, guess our 90k shield slam crits on festergutt were to good to be true...


inquisition vs crap dmg shield slam eh
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Re: Cataclysm Beta - Build 13221

Postby Malthrax » Wed Oct 27, 2010 11:40 am

Olen wrote:MMO-champ has the following Prot change listed as well:
Shield of the Righteous now deals 609/1828/3656 damage depending on Holy Power. (Old - Deals 20%/60%/120% of Attack Power as damage)

can someone on beta confirm or deny this crippling nerf?

thx


old: 20% 60% 120%
new: 609 1828 3656

If you have 3046AP...

120% of 3046AP = 3656
60% of 3046AP = 1828
20% of 3046AP = 609

methinks nothing has changed at all.
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Re: Cataclysm Beta - Build 13221

Postby Grehn|Skipjack » Wed Oct 27, 2010 11:44 am

Could we maybe wait for the build to go live on the beta servers before the sky starts falling? That'd be great, thanks.
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Re: Cataclysm Beta - Build 13221

Postby Sabindeus » Wed Oct 27, 2010 11:50 am

Grehn|Skipjack wrote:Could we maybe wait for the build to go live on the beta servers before the sky starts falling? That'd be great, thanks.


Apparently not, as it seems people don't even want to read posts in this thread explaining why MMO-C might say something
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Re: Cataclysm Beta - Build 13221

Postby kaanman36 » Wed Oct 27, 2010 11:53 am

Here is what the tooltip compare says on Wowhead.

1 Holy Power: (610 - 1) damage
2 Holy Power: (610*3 - 3) damage
3 Holy Power: (610*6 - 6) damage

Source - (Just mouse over "compare tooltips")

I'm not trying to say the sky is falling, I'm just wondering what the new attack power scaling might be with this new change. More work for the big brains on this board me thinks.

*EDIT* The more I think about it, the more I think Sabin is probably right. This is most likely just a tooltip change. I guess we will see :)
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