Tanking Rotation in Cataclysm

[dmok]

I suggest testing on a dummy first just to see if they're close.

In my gear setup (Dmor - The Scryers: a mix of 251/264 with heroic Bonebreaker Scepter) HotR was hitting for about 200-300 less than CS on average.

Is it possible that HotR is simply double-dipping from Crusade, and that's causing the higher scaling issues with HotR?

[Rothes]

The 20% bonus to HotR from tier 10 has got to be screwing this. Maybe they didn't change that cause they want us to keep the aoe tank feel until post 80. Or that was an oversight.

[Klaudandus]

I'm sort of hoping this is just a stupid oversight on their part, but unfortunately the only way to fix it is to nerf the nova damage of HotR (and thus nerf our AoE threat) or buff Crusader Strike.

I see them nerfing before buffing =/

[steadypal]

could that simply be 2pc doing 20% more hotr dmg, and hotr glyph doing pretty much 20% more dmg?

[d503]

could that simply be 2pc doing 20% more hotr dmg, and hotr glyph doing pretty much 20% more dmg?

According to someone else, in some other thread, the 2pc buff is only effecting the physical aspect of HotR.

[Neptuno]

could that simply be 2pc doing 20% more hotr dmg, and hotr glyph doing pretty much 20% more dmg?

According to someone else, in some other thread, the 2pc buff is only effecting the physical aspect of HotR.

from reading the posts, isn't that the component that matters for the discussion?

[dmok]

from reading the posts, isn't that the component that matters for the discussion?

I remember seeing the holy nova damage portion bring far higher than the physical, and so the scaling on the nova is important.

With the nova hitting both the primary target and secondary targets, it is skewing the numbers for single-target tanking too.

[Neptuno]

I suggest testing on a dummy first just to see if they're close.

In my gear setup (Dmor - The Scryers: a mix of 251/264 with heroic Bonebreaker Scepter) HotR was hitting for about 200-300 less than CS on average.

Is it possible that HotR is simply double-dipping from Crusade, and that's causing the higher scaling issues with HotR?

A level 73 tested without all the tier gear and they saw CS being around this same margin above HotR single-target.

[theckhd]

At the moment, it looks like Crusade is bugged and not affecting HotR at all, and the T10 2-piece bonus is not affecting the HammerNova component. So in all likelihood, Crusader Strike is still going to be the go-to single target attack.

If they fix the bug this may change, unless they buff Crusader Strike.

As a side note, losing that 30%-40% on HammerNova makes AoE tanking a real PITA.

[Paxen]

Is it worth it to use a 2.6 speed dps weapon for threat still? Seal damage is almost irrelevant, but does CS hit harder with a slow weapon?

[KysenMurrin]

GC claims Crusade is fixed:

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/threa ... No=1&sid=1

The Crusade talent was not affecting the AoE portion of Hammer of the Righteous. That means paladin threat in AoE situations was 30% lower than designed. We fixed this last night.

[blakk]

Is it worth it to use a 2.6 speed dps weapon for threat still? Seal damage is almost irrelevant, but does CS hit harder with a slow weapon?

CS is based on weapon damage so i would think a slow is still superior

[steadypal]

GC claims Crusade is fixed:

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/threa ... No=1&sid=1

The Crusade talent was not affecting the AoE portion of Hammer of the Righteous. That means paladin threat in AoE situations was 30% lower than designed. We fixed this last night.

is that what theck came up with? crusade just not effecting the splash but the direct ? or was it not doing 30% to anything

[Flex]

Are people reporting HotR being >= CS using fast weapons? Only reason I could see that being the case.

[Paxen]

Is it worth it to use a 2.6 speed dps weapon for threat still? Seal damage is almost irrelevant, but does CS hit harder with a slow weapon?

CS is based on weapon damage so i would think a slow is still superior

Some quick and dirty dummy testing gave me about 15% increase in CS damage by changing heroic Bonebreaker Scepter with heroic Frost Giant's Cleaver. Combined with the lost AP (agi weapons no longer grant AP to us), I doubt it's much good to switch.