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Re: A call to arms - Beta/PTR parses on WoL

Postby steadypal » Fri Oct 08, 2010 5:28 pm

the 3sec change to cs/hotr arent on beta atm are they?


or has the tooltip not changed?
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Re: A call to arms - Beta/PTR parses on WoL

Postby theckhd » Fri Oct 08, 2010 5:29 pm

Hm.... Everything seems right except for:

I get 164 stam and 0 mastery.

Going to mess with those numbers a little before raid and see what I can make of them.

If you have time and wouldn't mind repeating the tests with a second item on for different AP and SP values, that will help nail down the scaling and base damages.
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Re: A call to arms - Beta/PTR parses on WoL

Postby theckhd » Fri Oct 08, 2010 5:29 pm

steadypal wrote:the 3sec change to cs/hotr arent on beta atm are they?


or has the tooltip not changed?

It wasn't on beta earlier today when I tried it, no.
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Re: A call to arms - Beta/PTR parses on WoL

Postby Arianne » Fri Oct 08, 2010 5:38 pm

Everyone gets 8 mastery when they train Mastery from the skill trainer. If you're not spec'd then it says something like 'you must pick a talent spec before mastery applies'. If you're 0/0/0 but have picked protection then it gives you 8 mastery that applies to Divine Bulwark.
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Re: A call to arms - Beta/PTR parses on WoL

Postby Redleg » Fri Oct 08, 2010 5:45 pm

theckhd wrote:Hm.... Everything seems right except for:

I get 164 stam and 0 mastery.

Going to mess with those numbers a little before raid and see what I can make of them.

If you have time and wouldn't mind repeating the tests with a second item on for different AP and SP values, that will help nail down the scaling and base damages.


The stam is probably because I'm a Miner, so that adds 60 stamina, and yeah the 8 mastery is just the base I have. I'll get on the ptr a bit later and slap on something to change my AP/SP stats.
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Re: A call to arms - Beta/PTR parses on WoL

Postby theckhd » Fri Oct 08, 2010 6:05 pm

Arianne wrote:Everyone gets 8 mastery when they train Mastery from the skill trainer. If you're not spec'd then it says something like 'you must pick a talent spec before mastery applies'. If you're 0/0/0 but have picked protection then it gives you 8 mastery that applies to Divine Bulwark.

Good to know, I guess that means that it's not implemented in the code yet. That's an easy fix though.

Frighteningly, it really does look like they nerfed AS by about 20%. The only thing I can think of is that they lowered the base damage but improved the AP scaling (to be determined).

If they really did nerf AS, that would be incredibly bad as far as Grand Crusader goes.
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Re: A call to arms - Beta/PTR parses on WoL

Postby Warsadin » Fri Oct 08, 2010 6:09 pm

If they really nerfed AS that would really cement a lot of forthcoming forum anger at there being zero reason to spec into grand crusader.

Which I really really dislike. I want to spec into that, and I think the devs want that random part of our rotation to be there. There wasn't a reason to nerf it in the first place, even if it improved the scaling. It was weak enough to begin with.

We will certainly see as this is now going to quickly become the hot button issue with pally tanks.
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Re: A call to arms - Beta/PTR parses on WoL

Postby Redleg » Fri Oct 08, 2010 6:19 pm

theckhd wrote:If you have time and wouldn't mind repeating the tests with a second item on for different AP and SP values, that will help nail down the scaling and base damages.


http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/dcqt ... etails/18/

Went back to the target dummy, same setup except I added the 251 T10 helm (it has parry reforged to mastery, but none of that *should* have any effect on the damage). I doubt you need all these stats I'm listing, but just putting them here just in case. I tried to list any of the stats that changed, even if they probably aren't relevent to the damage numbers.

Stats on helm:
2059 armor
144 strength
179 stamina
+37 stam and +20 dodge chant
+32 stam and 2% armor meta gem
+10 agil and +15 stam gem
+12 stam socket bonus
98 dodge
41 parry (this item was reforged, so parry is lower than base item)
27 mastery rating

New character stats:
Attack Power: 810
Spell Power: 265

Strength: 295
Agility: 100
Stamina: 512
Int: 98
Spirit: 108
Armor: 2913
Dodge: 8.19%
Parry: 6.73%
Block: 22.18%

Damage: 123-159
DPS: 100.8
Crit Chance: 2.58%
Mastery: 8.59

EDIT: Forgot to mention that my very first Holy Wrath hit 2 targets, so I hope that doesn't throw things off too much. I can do another if needed later on.
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Re: A call to arms - Beta/PTR parses on WoL

Postby Klaudandus » Fri Oct 08, 2010 6:29 pm

What alternatives are out there if the 4 heroic dummies (one per city) are being used and abused.?
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Re: A call to arms - Beta/PTR parses on WoL

Postby Redleg » Fri Oct 08, 2010 6:34 pm

Klaudandus wrote:What alternatives are out there if the 4 heroic dummies (one per city) are being used and abused.?


That's a good question. I was alone at one for most of my last parse, but had to stop and move to another because a warrior came up to it. Some cities (such as Ironforge) there's not really a dummy that isn't right next to another. In Stormwind the main target dummy area you can position yourself so aoe won't hit multiple dummies, or use the area to the left that only has the two level 80 dummies.

It can be tough finding one not in use :evil:
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Re: A call to arms - Beta/PTR parses on WoL

Postby Klaudandus » Fri Oct 08, 2010 6:38 pm

I cannot find unused heroic dummies for the life of me, they're all being hit, the best I can find in the PTR are the regular lvl80 dummies. Normally the city less used is the one in thunderbluff but right now I'm at the dummies. Heroic is being blasted away and the lone lvl 80 dummy that is not being targeted is still getting splash damage from a rogue.
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Re: A call to arms - Beta/PTR parses on WoL

Postby towelliee » Fri Oct 08, 2010 6:46 pm

AP - 3680
SP - 1129
Swing Timer - 1.60
DMG - 503.5
High End - 690-921

http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-sm3e0kkh1feza71j/details/18/
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Re: A call to arms - Beta/PTR parses on WoL

Postby wrathblood » Fri Oct 08, 2010 7:10 pm

Here's some data.

Wrathblood, level 83 Paladin attacking a level 85 testing dummy. Naked except for a tomahawk, unspec-ed and no buffs at all (crusader aura was up, figured it wouldn't matter). If someone else started attacking the dummy I'd back off to make sure the dummy wasn't getting a debuff that would skew things (not entirely clear what causes what debuffs at this point, so I figured better safe than sorry).

Hopefully its of use.

http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/fi8n ... details/6/
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Re: A call to arms - Beta/PTR parses on WoL

Postby Redleg » Fri Oct 08, 2010 7:11 pm

Klaudandus wrote:I cannot find unused heroic dummies for the life of me, they're all being hit, the best I can find in the PTR are the regular lvl80 dummies. Normally the city less used is the one in thunderbluff but right now I'm at the dummies. Heroic is being blasted away and the lone lvl 80 dummy that is not being targeted is still getting splash damage from a rogue.


Actually unless I was completely mistaken, for the PTR tests he's wanting us to hit the regular level 80 dummies rather than the boss dummy. If I'm wrong that screws up any parses I've submitted :shock:
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Re: A call to arms - Beta/PTR parses on WoL

Postby theckhd » Fri Oct 08, 2010 7:22 pm

I was expecting the 83 (raid) dummy actually, but it only affects physical damage (so HotR base and melee). And I can correct for it in the code anyhow, so now that you told me I can go back and re-check it.
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