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Cataclysm Paladin Tanking Videos 4.0

Postby towelliee » Tue Sep 21, 2010 2:04 pm

Cataclysm Raid Bosses

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgsGWWHhNcA -- WoW Cataclysm - 10 Heroic raid boss: Halfus Wyrmbreaker (Bastion of Twilight) - TGN

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHDMIeIAyA0 -- Throne of the Four Winds - Conclave of Wind HEROIC - Cataclysm Beta

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCUbqwhobEc -- Throne of the Four Winds - Conclave of Wind - Cataclysm Beta

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hf-9nj0dNNk -- Blackwing Descent - Nefarian's End 10 Man - Cataclysm Beta

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NH57qC_uGGY -- The Bastion of Twilight - Cho'gall - Cataclysm Beta - 25% Wipe

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FH_lq45ycYQ -- The Bastion of Twilight - Ascendant Council 10 Man - Cataclysm Beta

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMJQVio4YDk -- Blackwing Descent - Maloriak 10 Man - Catacylsm Beta

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jx4j0Owutt0 -- The Bastion of Twilight - Theralion and Valiona 10 Man

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHtb5b2j08Q -- Blackwing Descent - Chimaeron 10 Man - Catacylsm Beta

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IY4ooGWbF0 -- Blackwing Descent - Omnitron Defense System 10 Man - Cataclysm Beta

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzARv9KdKJo -- The Bastion of Twilight - Halfus Wyrmbreaker 10 Man - Cataclysm Beta

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St-nCA40Hyo -- Argaloth Baradin Hold Raid Boss - Cataclysm Beta - Tank POV

4.0.1 WOTLK Videos

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_qgt5Wi_KE -- 4.0 Paladin Tanking Single Target Rotation 939 v2.0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wT3movzRb-8 -- 4.0.1 WOTLK Paladin AOE Tanking - Heroic Utgarde Keep - Crank Dat Druid Boy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RCqCh2EAKU -- 4.0.1 WOTLK Paladin Tanking ICC 25 Hardmodes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9w0CSCjDcBk -- 4.0.1 - Paladin Tank vs Ranged DPS ..winner is...RANGED DPS!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKDZ_jBUSuo -- 4.0.1 WOTLK Paladin Tanking Single Target Rotation 939

PTR Videos

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8haRk2pQG6o -- Heroic Drak'Tharon Keep

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcgOWIqgFnY -- Heroic Halls of Lightning (AS finally hitting all targets)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLI8KlprSZE -- Heroic Gundrak (bit comical but better VIEW of the rotations.

Beta Videos

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASiG6Dyn2rM -- Cataclysm Beta Heroic Shadowfang Keep - Boss Fight Tutorials

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmDUQyrtPS0 -- Cataclysm Beta Heroic Shadowfang Keep - Inquisition AOE Tanking

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaR4Wh1Vmao -- Cataclysm Beta Heroic Blackrock Caverns - Boss Fight Tutorials

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEiVKCvZ3p8 -- Heroic Deadmines - Boss Fight Tutorials

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZiFCI0oUVQ -- Heroic Halls of Origination - TRASH - Cataclysm Paladin Tanking Beta 4.0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40VyAP31cMA -- Heroic Halls of Origination - Boss Fight Tutorials

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vr2prhXFyxQ -- Heroic Grim Batol - Boss Fight Tutorials - Cataclysm Paladin Tanking Beta 4.0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YympCmoSXsU -- Cataclysm Paladin Tanking Beta 4.0 - Vortex Pinnacle Trash (Just 5 minutes of a few pulls)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92onL324DAY -- Cataclysm Paladin Tanking Beta 4.0 - Vortex Pinnacle - Asaad Boss (Good Single Target Tanking Reference)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXJZ6fWkdb4 -- Heroic The Deadmines - Wipefest 2010 - Cataclysm Paladin Tanking Beta 4.0 (WTB people who know how to play and CC)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guzoB2iA228&fmt=37 -- Heroic Halls of Origination 1 of 2 PsiVen POV

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lCcmfoZ_xc&fmt=37 -- Heroic Halls of Origination 2 of 2 PsiVen POV

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0l2Zn0ZIX1I -- Heroic Shadowfang Keep - Cataclysm Paladin Tanking Beta 4.0 (trash to the first boss)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACGduFlr554 -- Heroic Grim Batol - Cataclysm Paladin Tanking Beta 4.0 - Trash

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orCTCPCmdRA -- Cataclysm Prospecting

Thanks to Fridmarr for understanding and allowing me to post this.

If anyone has ANY requests such as:

- Wanting to see a specific instance in PTR or Beta
- Wanting to see my Gear at level 83
- Request for seeing how hard certain abilities hit etc.

Just ask and I will post. If you have any issues what so ever with the videos or have any questions private message me. This thread will be moderated and any unwelcome posts will be taken care of. Thanks!
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Re: Cataclysm Paladin Tanking Videos 4.0

Postby Invisusira » Tue Sep 21, 2010 4:46 pm

I wasn't going to post anything, but I'd just like to point out that the latest video is just one long, snide bashing of everyone on Maintankadin who questioned his style. Frid, if this is the sort of thing that you're ok with him posting... well, I'm a bit surprised.

And don't bother PMing him, he simply responds with juvenile taunts.
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Re: Cataclysm Paladin Tanking Videos 4.0

Postby Sabindeus » Tue Sep 21, 2010 5:04 pm

I'll be honest dude, I found the snarky commentary hilarious.

And yeah, it was easier to watch this time, thank you. :)
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Re: Cataclysm Paladin Tanking Videos 4.0

Postby Sabindeus » Tue Sep 21, 2010 5:06 pm

question for you towel: Is that X-Perl in there for your unit frames and which version are you using if so?
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Re: Cataclysm Paladin Tanking Videos 4.0

Postby Darielle » Tue Sep 21, 2010 5:08 pm

Sabindeus wrote:question for you towel: Is that X-Perl in there for your unit frames and which version are you using if so?


That looks like Shadowed Unit Frames to me, which is what I use too.
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Re: Cataclysm Paladin Tanking Videos 4.0

Postby Sabindeus » Tue Sep 21, 2010 5:09 pm

Darielle wrote:
Sabindeus wrote:question for you towel: Is that X-Perl in there for your unit frames and which version are you using if so?


That looks like Shadowed Unit Frames to me, which is what I use too.


ah nm then...
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Re: Cataclysm Paladin Tanking Videos 4.0

Postby towelliee » Tue Sep 21, 2010 5:12 pm

Agenda for tonight includes Blackrock Caverns and HOPEFULLY Vortex Pinnacle if my Sony Vegas decides to hurry it up. And yes my latest video is definitely my favorite /wink
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Re: Cataclysm Paladin Tanking Videos 4.0

Postby Invisusira » Tue Sep 21, 2010 5:15 pm

Defly the most amusing by a long shot. Although probably not for the reasons you intended.
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Re: Cataclysm Paladin Tanking Videos 4.0

Postby Yelena » Tue Sep 21, 2010 5:29 pm

Sabindeus wrote:
Darielle wrote:
Sabindeus wrote:question for you towel: Is that X-Perl in there for your unit frames and which version are you using if so?


That looks like Shadowed Unit Frames to me, which is what I use too.


ah nm then...

Isn't SUF going into an abandonment stage, since Shadowed no longer plays WoW, or did someone else pick the project up? Doesn't affect me personally either way, as I run Pitbull4, but more I'm curious since I know SUF has a large userbase.
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Re: Cataclysm Paladin Tanking Videos 4.0

Postby theckhd » Tue Sep 21, 2010 6:00 pm

I don't want to re-ignite any of the debates, but here's a few notes:

1) The melee DPS likely are expertise hard-capped for heroics. Non-boss mobs have a much lower parry chance, so if the players are dodge-capped for raid bosses (26 expertise), they'll never see a parry in a heroic.

2) The argument for not constantly moving the mobs, at least from a DPS perspective, is that you're decreasing the DPS of any melee players. A mob moving out of range can delay abilities or melee swings, and classes that need to attack from behind a target will see an even steeper penalty. You'd never do this in a raid, for example, because it would be detrimental to your raid's DPS.

That said, it's mostly irrelevant in a heroic when other players are spamming AoE abilities. It might annoy melee players, but probably not enough that they'd complain if the tank was moving quickly. Note that chain pulling packs isn't a problem - nothing wrong with that. But usually once I've chain-pulled enough, I'll stop for 5-6 seconds and stand still so the DPS can open up and burn them down.

3) The audio is strange. The compression gives a weird background noise that makes it sound like you're playing in a room with R2D2.
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Re: Cataclysm Paladin Tanking Videos 4.0

Postby towelliee » Tue Sep 21, 2010 6:18 pm

theckhd wrote:3) The audio is strange. The compression gives a weird background noise that makes it sound like you're playing in a room with R2D2.


My Audacity does that not sure why. Some videos you hear it some you don't. Thanks for the incite also Theck. Let me know if you have any tasks for me to do I'm bored.
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Re: Cataclysm Paladin Tanking Videos 4.0

Postby glorfindell » Tue Sep 21, 2010 6:26 pm

Thanks for posting these Towelliee. They're helpful to me at least, being that I took a summer furlough from my paladin (after getting my ICC drake of course) due to the arrival of our baby boy.

I've been fairly skeptical of how the spec is shaping up for Cataclysm based on my reading here, however the rotation in action doesn't seem quite as awkward and gappy as I'd been expecting. I may just have to re-consider shelving the pally for my huntard or bear. Holy wrath in the very least seems to be a great AoE tool, even if the current iteration of HotR seems a bit underwhelming.

On a side note, I would QQ if I were dpsing the Gun'drak run. GOGOGOOGO already!! First two were perfect IMO. :wink:

Edit: Watched the videos again. Actually, if I were in that Gun'drak run on my hunter, I would "respectfully" be MD pulling groups to you. Clever narrative in that one, I found it entertaining.
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Re: Cataclysm Paladin Tanking Videos 4.0

Postby Mert » Tue Sep 21, 2010 7:17 pm

Yeah thanks for posting them - I have no intention whatsoever of getting involved in any of the debate but, like we discussed, I do have a request. If possible and if you get time, could you put together a video of you tanking a level 80 raid boss on the PTR? I honestly don't mind which instance or which boss (well, I guess Flame Leviathan won't be too useful :P) but it'd be nice to see firstly how our rotation performs over a longer duration and also to see the kind of damage you're taking during boss specials and that kind of thing.

As I say, only if you have the time to do so but it'd be appreciated - thanks :)

EDIT: Oh and if you are able to, a parse to go along with the video would be absolutely wonderful but, again, only if you have the time to do so.
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Re: Cataclysm Paladin Tanking Videos 4.0

Postby Taeron » Wed Sep 22, 2010 12:14 am

Since I'm neither in Beta nor on PTR I was hoping you (or anyone else playing 4.0.1 style Paladin) could answer some of my concerns.

1) In general, how would you describe the new paladin tanking? Is it fun, like it was intended, or is it frustrating? Somewhere in between?

2) How are we dealing with stray mobs now? I know that on current Live, both my taunts are almost always on cooldown and ready, but with damage removed from the single taunt, is that even working (considering DPS usually just looks at an enemy and that enemy then has eleven DoTs ticking on him)?

3) How do you deal with a Lady Deathwhisper add situation, say, if 3 adds come running into the raid with about 20 yard space between then? Judge one, AS another and just autoattack the closest? Or are there other tools we can rely on when the basic 2 ranged are on CD?

4) Are EG and GbtL talents at all considered at this point? Every lvl80 build I've made preparing for 4.0.1, I've left both of them out, seeing how we can't spare HoPo for WoG at all. I figured in order to at least do some good at lvl80 until Cata, perhaps leaving EG and GbtL out and going for some extra range on Judgement would be a better idea?

5) Not a question but more of a concern - in a tank group of a warrior and a druid, will I, as a paladin, be the one who'll have to offer the raid (at lvl80 and at lvl85) the sort of "I did my best tanking", meaning, I can do everything properly but when aggro is lost or stray adds kill dps/healers because I have nothing to use, all I can say is "I did my best", while other tanks can remain as proper as we were up until now?

Thank you.

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I'm not a native English speaker so a side question: when I type Judgement, every word checker underlines it as wrong, yet this is how it's written in WoW. Correct spelling would apparently be Judgment. Is this another case of American vs British English or did Blizz make a typo?
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Re: Cataclysm Paladin Tanking Videos 4.0

Postby Arcand » Wed Sep 22, 2010 1:17 am

Towel-guy has tanked tons more 4.0 stuff than I have, but I'll toss this in because I'm curious how similar his answers will be.

Taeron wrote:1) In general, how would you describe the new paladin tanking? Is it fun, like it was intended, or is it frustrating? Somewhere in between?

It's not awful. Grand Crusader procs and the way the cooldowns don't dovetail perfectly means that you're thinking more about what abilities are coming up and what to use next. To qualify that, I've only tanked 7-8 heroics and am using the default UI with no threat meter so it won't always be the Hugely Engaging Mental Exercise it is now.

It is a distraction having to prioritize abilities. Today Anub'arak actually caught me with a Pound because I was looking at my hotbar a little too long. It's been a looooong time since I got hit by Pound. :(

My threat feels much weaker than on live. On live I pick up groups with a big aggressive burst that often allows me to coast for the last third of the fight - pull with Hand, Consecrate, Avenger's Shield as they reach melee range, Holy Wrath if they're that kind of bad guy, Hammer - at this point you've blown half your mana bar but you have good control of the threat situation. On the PTR, it feels like I need to sustain about 70% of that tempo continuously, which isn't feasible unless you get lucky with Grand Crusader.

Single target is similar - I'm taunting more than I can ever remember doing in the past. If Grand Crusader goes off a couple times, or if I get a big hit with Shield, threat should be okay. If neither of those things happens, when the DPS start hitting their big whee-hah abilities I'm in trouble.

Mana's a non-issue unless for some perverse reason you go a long time without judging.

2) How are we dealing with stray mobs now? I know that on current Live, both my taunts are almost always on cooldown and ready, but with damage removed from the single taunt, is that even working (considering DPS usually just looks at an enemy and that enemy then has eleven DoTs ticking on him)?

If you're a grizzled veteran of a tank and have good situational awareness, so you see that stray coming five seconds in advance, no sweat. Almost guaranteed you can arrange to have Avenger's Shield up to make the grab with, or smack the new guy with a 2-point Shield, or something. I've been doing 97% of pulls without Consecration so that's available as a weak stray-picker-upper.

Today I did Azjol-Nerub and Halls of Stone, which both have streaming-add events. Not really stern tests because even if you lose aggro the add will die before it walks seven paces, but still. Both went okay, you husband your resources and generally something's available within a second or two of when you need it. I had one incident in A-N where two Assassins and a Darter were up and for about four seconds I had nothing ready. (The DPS were scattered all over the place and I was far away, so the things I had up - Hammer and Consecration - were no help.)

The moment passed without anybody dying, but you grind your teeth a little when you scan the hotbar and determine that, at this moment, holding down W is the only move you've got.

3) How do you deal with a Lady Deathwhisper add situation, say, if 3 adds come running into the raid with about 20 yard space between then? Judge one, AS another and just autoattack the closest? Or are there other tools we can rely on when the basic 2 ranged are on CD?

Hand one to draw them closer together (swing toward one end of their line first), AS when you're confident it'll chain, then Hammer...even if you only have one holy power at that point, you can do a pathetic SotR just to make the pickup (and get Holy Shield up, if it isn't already). That 1-point SotR isn't an efficient use of resources but it stops the immediate crisis and hopefully you can communicate to the raid that you don't have a tight grip on these adds just yet.

4) Are EG and GbtL talents at all considered at this point? Every lvl80 build I've made preparing for 4.0.1, I've left both of them out, seeing how we can't spare HoPo for WoG at all. I figured in order to at least do some good at lvl80 until Cata, perhaps leaving EG and GbtL out and going for some extra range on Judgement would be a better idea?

I'm ignoring both of those as I level, because 1) the more we turn up our noses at those talents the better the (slight) chance they'll get adjusted, and 2) 5-man stuff dies so fast I never have time to settle into a rotation long enough to think about WoG - even on final bosses. Grabbing the long Judge sounds like a decent idea.

When I hit 85 (by which time the gung-ho players will be working on raid hardmodes) I'll do some reading and reevaluate the WoG talents.

5) Not a question but more of a concern - in a tank group of a warrior and a druid, will I, as a paladin, be the one who'll have to offer the raid (at lvl80 and at lvl85) the sort of "I did my best tanking", meaning, I can do everything properly but when aggro is lost or stray adds kill dps/healers because I have nothing to use, all I can say is "I did my best", while other tanks can remain as proper as we were up until now?

Endless streams of adds, from many directions, like A-N, can wear you down...but it does take a while. You don't fold up the moment the second (or even the third) pack spawns. And in raids, I find the adds are generally at fairly predictable times, in fairly predictable places. That we can handle reasonably well.

I've copied my warrior and bear to the PTR but haven't taken them out yet because I'm kinda dreading having to learn more new mechanics...but if/when I get some comparative information I'll share.

I'm not a native English speaker so a side question: when I type Judgement, every word checker underlines it as wrong, yet this is how it's written in WoW. Correct spelling would apparently be Judgment. Is this another case of American vs British English or did Blizz make a typo?


The rule I've heard - and I'm in Canada so our formal writing leans more toward British rules but
there's plenty of American influence - is that you use 'judgement' for everything except decisions
in law, so...

"He told me that prostitute I was talking to is actually a man, and I trust his judgement."
"It is my judgment that the accused be hanged by the neck until dead."

...but I suspect most dictionaries just list them both as alternate spellings, and if you
check five websites you'll find 2-3 different rules. :)
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